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08/10/2010 8:37 AM

how to make inductor 3H

what about RC filter

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08/10/2010 9:23 AM

The simplest method to make the large value of a 3 Henry inductor is to make a very large coil of wire. There are many web based calculators available that can permit you to figure out how large of a coil you will need. You can also place a ferromagnetic material inside this coil to reduce the number of turns needed to make this inductance. But you will now have to know more of the signals this inductor will see to be sure that the frequency will still be in the ferromagnetic material's range and that the flux density will not saturate any part of the core material.

You cannot make an inductor (L) from just a resistor and capacitor (RC) combination. You can make an RC act like an RL in making either a high pass or low pass filter but not just the inductor impedance. With active circuitry of a few operational amplifiers one can make an input impedance of an inductor with a general impedance converter and several Rs and a C. But as the link shows, this is not a simple circuit. It is used very often though in filter designs that require very large stable values of C or L.

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08/10/2010 11:43 AM

Thanks for the link...must go deeper there.

However, i have been using this formula ...

Do you think this is also OK?

i will check out both tomorrow (two shots of single malt is not conducive to inductance )

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08/10/2010 12:16 PM

The classic formula for the inductance of a tightly wound solenoid is L=μ(N2/l)S. Now L is the inductance in Henry. μ is the permeability of the space inside the solenoid. N is the number of turns. l is the length of the solenoid. Lastly, S is the cross sectional area of the loops.

This is from Fawwaz T. Ulaby's book "Fundamentals of Applied Electromagnetics". But I'm sure you'll find this elsewhere.

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08/11/2010 9:34 AM

kvsridhar gives us one of the Wheeler formulas, but these are meant only for air-core inductors, and 3H is simply too much inductance to try to make with an air coil.

redfred suggested a ferromagnetic core, and here has given us L=μ(N2/l)S, where μ is the permeability of this core. That's very good, now we're getting someplace.

But in practice when we purchase an inductor or transformer core, as least for the ferrite types, the manufacturer gives us a parameter called AL and the formula, L = AL N2 to determine the inductance. This formula is easier to use, and it incorporates all the core information into one specified parameter. Generally AL is given in units of nH/turn2, so we have to be careful with our exponents.

Let's take a specific example. We'll select a Ferroxcube core, a large one, given that 3H is a lot of inductance. Aha, their EC70 core looks like a good possibility. Looking at the datasheet, we see that an ungapped EC70-3C81 core has AL = 4000 nH/turn2. This would require N = sqrt (L/AL) = sqrt (3x109 nH / 4000 nH/turn2) = 866 turns for a 3H inductance. Ungapped cores have a poor tolerance for AL, so we might prefer a gapped core, such as an EC70-3C81-A1000, with a 320 μm gap and AL = 1000. That would require twice as many turns, and would mean a smaller wire size, both of which increase the DC resistance. The datasheet shows the bobbin coil-former dimensions, showing the space available for the wire.

I found the photo of a finished coil or transformer made with an EC-70 core, using Google image search. It appears that the designer has added his own gap material at the outside of the core (the manufacturer-supplied gaps are precision ground on the inside post only, raising the cost of the core).

Before we leave the subject, we might ask the O.P. what his application is for such a large 3H inductor. We might be able to suggest an alternate to using a meaty brute-force iron-core inductor.

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08/11/2010 9:47 AM

I obtained the photo from this website, which has a nice discussion of gaps in cores, why you want one, and how to think about the subject.

http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/gap/

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08/11/2010 9:53 AM

I agree that a 3H inductor is a very large inductance. I also agree that making a 3H air core inductor will be a large, probably impractical component. As you pointed out, it all depends on how the OP intends to use this enormous inductance. The OP may have been just wondering if a 3H inductance was a practical value. When and if the OP gets back to us, we cannot offer any further guidance.

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08/11/2010 10:21 AM

Ahh how stupid of me. Never looked at the 3H number. Thanks for the tip, GA to you.

IEC 60947-5 Annex B gives the details of the iron-cored reactor to be used as a test load for DC relays which can work on highly inductive circuits (L/R ≈100ms) Here is an image from the standard. Obviously, this is of American origin when you see that the mm dimensions are in fact inches x 25.4. So i am sure many CR4 experts will be familiar with the US standard where this appears .. i look forward to learning more on this subject.

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10/08/2018 5:48 AM

Inductors are more efficient at producing required inductances than a regular solenoid as they are smaller in size and require fewer turns. The amount of magnetic flux that escapes outside the core is minimum, thus radiating less electromagnetic interference to nearby circuits. There is no air gap, very low electromagnetic radiation, no noise, and a safe design with superior quality wiring, thus making our inductors the safest, and Miracle Aerospace one of the most dependable air core inductor manufacturers in India.

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Re: Inductor

08/10/2010 10:31 AM

Please describe in detail (with specific numbers) what you are trying to do.

Why? Because designing a 3 [H] inductor requires MORE information.
LC, LR, and RC, filters need to be properly scaled to the circuit and load parameters.

nominal current=
nominal voltage=
driving circuit impedance=
load impedance=
maximum allowed power dissipation=
passband and/or stopband requirements=

When these are properly defined, you can properly design your filter.

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