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Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/12/2010 12:42 AM

Has someone experience with liquids that are used to fill up electronic circuits in a metal box as used in autos? I would like to know how that dry transparent jelly compound is made, how it is named, and where the components can be bought in the US of A, to repair cut- outs after replacing components. Are these available in small applications? Who can help me out?

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Re: Automotive print protection or camouflage?

08/12/2010 12:49 AM

This is how I received my PCM back after it got rebuild by a professional exchanger.

They used silicone caulk to fix the holes. They can probably use the link too.

Warranty void if tampered with seal?

Is this the product?

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08/12/2010 12:53 AM

Yes, the soft clear part. I don't think the seal between the caulk and the premium product is done properly. The silicone is also less jelly when dry and not transparent.

It is just to avoid such result that I want to have something similar to the original.

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/12/2010 6:37 AM

What you're looking for is called "potting compound". There are many varities avaiable, ranging from rock-solid epoxies to very soft polyurethanes or silicones and everything in between. Clear, colored, opaque - your choice. Some are touted by their electrical or thermal conductive / insulative properties. Curing methods include heat, exposure to visible light or UV, or self-cure, etc.

How these materials are actually made is too difficult to go into here. But to find some to use for you own application is easy using Google.

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/12/2010 7:41 AM

Post #3 looks good to me.

Generally things are "potted" to protect the delicate electrical components from the environment (moisture or vibration) or to hide the identity of the circuit.

How they are produced can fill books.

Buy a tube of clear RTV for small repairs.

Google "potting compounds"

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08/12/2010 1:07 PM

I prefer something liquid, like a 2 component mix that levels out and bonds with the existing material. I have no clue what is in it now. It is transparent, but very elastic. You can tear it apart without compromising the components. Jelly like but not sticky. I have googled for it, but the specs I find are not that clear to me and I cannot relate what is in there as base - PU - Epoxy - PE? It is slightly yellow green but very transparent. Thank you.

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08/12/2010 1:35 PM

20 years ago, I would have said it is silicone. But huge advances in chemistry have outdistanced my knowledge of today's encapsulation materials.

My guess would be silicone, acrylic, urethane or epoxy not necessarily in that order. Order would probably be reversed due to cost.

Still, I'd use a non-acetic acid silicone. If it smells like vinegar it might corrode some of the more delicate electronics.

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08/13/2010 12:59 PM

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08/12/2010 11:20 PM

Automotive electronics usually use a silicone potting compound to protect the electrical components from moisture and vibrational damage. Silicone is exceedingly difficult to rework, but this is not likely a real issue in automotive applications as the rework procedure is usually to just replace the box or at least the circuit card. Virtually any RTV silicone compound should work fine. I would avoid that designated for kitchen and bath applications, but an automotive grade would be okay.

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08/12/2010 11:23 PM

Hello,

The product is called Humi-Seal. It comes in commericial and Military Grades. For the extra bucks, use the "reallt good" stuff

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08/12/2010 11:50 PM

HumiSeal is a brand name for an acrylic conformal coating. It is basically just clear acrylic enamel.

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08/12/2010 11:23 PM

the product that you are looking for is an encapsulating resin and you should be able to source it from any of a number of suppliers of polyurethane resin suppliers

google "adiprene" and "vibrathane" which are the tradenames of two popular urethane

moulding formulations

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08/13/2010 12:07 AM

Many encapsulating resins, expecially those referenced in your post, are the result of a 2 part system mixing an iso-cyanate such as 2,4 toluene diisocyanate with a polyol such as Castor Oil. They are also used for filling the voids in telephone cable junction enclosures, etc. Much caution must be used when working with them since the TDI is very hazardous especially in terms of skin contact, respiratory exposure.

Just because you may be working with a small quantity doesn't mean that you exposure potential has been reduced.

TDI is a cousin to MDI, the cause of Bophal!

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/13/2010 5:15 AM

We use a two part, Silicone Dielectric Gel called SYLGARD 527 manufactured by Dow Corning which sets to a clear jelly-like form. Seems to work ok for our products.

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/13/2010 7:17 AM

the compound is referred to as potting compound. common Silicon caulk IS NOT appropriate and is often used by laymen because of its' ready accessability in the construction industry. Go to the following link to see various potting materials and thier specs.:

http://www.pottingsolutions.com/my%20site/Suppliers/ps_potting_compounds.htm

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/13/2010 9:23 AM

Silicone potting compounds are most frequently used. They offer mechanical protection and are water resistant. They don't stop water vapor which can diffuse through the rubber and condense on the electronics causing corrosion. The most important thing to remember is to NOT use the silicone caulking compounds found in hardware stores The curing agent for these materials is acetic acid. It will destroy your electronics. Use only electronic grade potting compounds formulated for your purpose.

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08/13/2010 12:14 PM

If you want something that is soft enough to rework later, you might want to consider 3M 8882 High Gel Reenterable Encapsulant. I used it to pot sensors into mockups for design validations. It's typically used to pot cable splices. It retains a somewhat tacky feel but not sticky. I used an earlier version, the 4442 about twelve years ago.

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/13/2010 1:47 PM

I am not affiliated in any way with this company. But Tom is a great guy and VERY knowledge in this area.

I use one of their products everyday! I have never been disappointed...

Give them a call...

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08/13/2010 4:41 PM

One very soft product I once saw used by the phone company was a 2 part polyurethane based on castor oil. It was considered to be re-enterable. If you cut it then let it stick together again it would seal. The company that comes to mind for castor oil urethanes is CasChem corporation although with the changes in corporate names and ownership this may not be current.

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08/13/2010 10:23 PM

Please refer to my post #11

After several divestitures/sales/mergers they are now known as Vertellus Specialties Inc. They are located at 40 Ave "A", Bayonne, NJ. The products you are speaking of are: http://www.vertellus.com/product.aspx?ProductID=163 . These products in their unmixed state or improperly mixed are very hazardous.

I was employed there when they were still CasChem.

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08/13/2010 10:33 PM

And a big MOCA to ya.

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Re: Automotive Print Protection or Camouflage?

08/14/2010 12:17 PM

I want to thank you all for the helpful information. I received a lot of good reactions, that I will go and explore further. For me this was a real jungle and thanks to you, I will be able to deal with the issue. My best regards to everyone. Lo.

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