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Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/19/2010 11:57 PM

Dear all

Currently we are conducting tests on the rotor generator. The brand of the tools is baker. we should test by using 1,2 Rotor Output voltage, but in fact the owner does not want us to inject it with max rotor output voltage. Therefore, testing is only performed at 500 V DC (half of rotor generator output/ as per owner request) it will damage the insulation of the rotor. Please need your information, whether this test can destruct the insulation of rotor generator? and why?

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/20/2010 2:04 AM

Baker and discuss.

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/20/2010 3:01 AM

Rita,

you should contact generator's manufacturer for this kind of test, since this is related to their warranty (if still valid) and their credibility to provide assistance to customer like you.

Frankly, test as requested supposed to be OK as it is below requirement level.

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/21/2010 11:36 PM

surge voltage always destroy the insulation of windings if the applied voltage is beyond limit .but u can safely induce 2.5 times of out put volt as surge volt if the generator is new one.The manufacture allows to conduct these tests.But ur Qs does not explain well to reply for a better answer.

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/21/2010 11:57 PM

Friend,

Assuming that the generator is producing AC current, remember that the RMS voltage it is producing is only about 70% of the instantaneous peak voltage on the conductors. Therefore, a generator with an output voltage of 600V (RMS) has an instantaneous voltage phase-to-phase varying between +/- 839V. If you are looking at the voltage from phase-to-ground, it is 0.577 of this (+/- 490v). Hope that helps in interpreting their requirements.

--JMM

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/22/2010 11:06 PM

is effective to know the condition of the generator rotor winding insulation by using surge test? and if it is not a destructive test can you explain technical reason about it.and What is the standard required for this test?

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/23/2010 3:52 AM

Baker and discuss.

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Re: Does Surge Test Measurement Destructive?

08/23/2010 5:51 AM

Take a good RLC bridge and measure the inductance from each rotor phase. If these values are almost the same (allowable difference 2-3 %) than this is a good sign that the winding will be good. A RLC measuring instrument has only an output voltage from a few volts. A Baker surge tester has an output voltage of several hundreds of volts. If there is a possible isolation fault, you could get a break through of the isolation and burn a hole in the isolation.

Let me say it in an different way. If there is a weak point in your isolation system, the Baker will find this weak point, and make the weak point even more bad

So I can understand you boss his idea to limit the value of the test voltage.

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