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Powerfactor Control

08/22/2010 8:24 AM

I am a technician in a certain industry;I have tried to improve lagging power factor of a manual three phase stater of a 75horsepower motor from 0.82* to 0.98*lagging powerfactor using various capacitors and it has failed what method can I use for the same

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Re: powerfactor control in an industry

08/22/2010 9:13 AM

What is the PF for the site? If that needs improving then start to look at individual drives. Correction to a 75hp motor isn't going to make that much difference.

PS what is a "certain industry"

PPS why .98, to do it costs more than it's worth, .9 is a realistic figure

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08/22/2010 10:05 AM

I suspect that you are measuring power factor wrong. Adding a properly sized capacitor will always change the phase angle of the current drawn from the source. I suspect that you continue to be reading the current being drawn by the motor and not the motor and capacitor combination.

I suspect this because I've done it. It was very embarrassing.

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08/22/2010 1:52 PM

You and me both

Took the PF corection connection before the CT.... Ooopps

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08/22/2010 1:04 PM

TonyS Quote "PPS why .98, to do it costs more than it's worth, .9 is a realistic figure"

Not always. I depends on the utility charge for KVA. 0.98 might be a stretch but 0.95 may be worth the expense. It would also depend on the plant total power factor.

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08/22/2010 2:21 PM

try E-save,look it up.

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08/22/2010 3:39 PM

Junk. This device, and all others like it, does NOTHING to improve the pf of the motor. They also don't really save anywhere near as much energy as their lies state.

Don't be a sucker...

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08/23/2010 8:20 AM

I took a look at the site out of curiousity. Saw a case study about an escalator that got me thinking.

Up escalators use more energy because the load is on the lift side. Down escalators are effectively braking so as to slow the downward motion of the riders. Why not try to recapture some of the energy from the down escalator for use in the up escalator?

This could come in the form of a mechanical link between the two or a 'hybrid' style motor-generator electrical link. As more riders rode the down escalator, the load on the up escalator drive motor would diminish. A 'smart' system would take into account the differing loads, especially if there were far fewer up riders than down riders.

If one got really slick, he could network the escalators to make a pool of 'source' escalators and distribute the power to 'load' escalators.

Hmm. They do say, "What goes up must come down!"

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08/23/2010 9:33 AM

I suspect that the largest mechanical load an escalator motor drives is the tread mechanism itself and the associated rolling friction to get it to run, not the added load of people on the tread. So the varying current load angle that the motors are drawing or returning to the grid are in essence driving each other already. Remember, every motor can and does also act like a generator.

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08/24/2010 6:02 AM

Connecting Power Factor Correction Capacitors directly to motor terminals is recommended ONLY if the motor load is constant. Because, the kVAR rating for motor PF improvement is calculated based on the name plate power factor of the motor as existing power fcatopr and for any desired PF (say, 0.95). But, the power factor given in the name plate is true only when the motor is delivering its rated load. In under-loaded conditions, the power factor would fall drastically and all the PF improvement calculations would be erratic then.

Also, another very important point to note in case of individual compensation (direct connection of PF improvemnt capacitors to motor terminals) is that the rated current of the capacitor MUST be less than 90% of the no-load current of the motor. Otherwise, when the power supply to the motor is switched OFF, the stored energy in the capacitor wouldm "self-excite" the motor and as the motor shaft is still in motion due to inertia, it would function as an "induction generator". The worst case voltage developed could go as high as twice the rated motor voltage, which is sure to damage the motor and the capacitor.

I strongly suspect that this is the resaon for your repeated capacitor failure. Please check the above and I am sure, your capacitors would survive.

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08/24/2010 6:23 AM

I feel suspicious about the way you tried the PF improvement, its better you provide us a sketch as how exactly you where trying to do it, all can provide you more accurate inputs on your trial.

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