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Designating Double Stage Gas Nitriding

08/26/2010 6:46 AM

What is the best method for designating double stage gas nitriding on a drawing for 4140 steel? Is it best to just call for "Double stage gas nitride" or does it need to be spelled out?

i.e. "Double stage gas nitride to 85 min. R-15N surface hardness. minimut total case depth .015")

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08/26/2010 8:02 AM

Best just to spell it out - put it in a nice clear box headed "FINAL TREATMENT" or whatever. Doesn't leave any room for misinterpretation or argument.

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08/26/2010 10:18 AM

The best way is to write up a step by step internal standards document with the methods and final properties that are required and referencing the correct test methods to test them in a controlled document and reference that document on your drawing and supply them both to the vendor. Alternately if there is an ANSI/ASME/Mil-Spec that you can reference that accomplishes the same end, then you can forgo the separate document and just reference your external standard. Look to a similar ASTM or MIL-Spec as a guide to the level of detail required for such a document.

The alternative is to put ALL of this information on the face of the drawing, which for a one-off bit is not that big of a deal, but if you make more than one part number using this process you are in for a major ordeal to maintain these documents.

The advantage of the separate CONTROLLED, internal standards document is that it is reusable and you don't have to re-write it for every drawing and then have to make sure that you didn't make a typo in the process. And if the process is changed (due to a typo that the heat treater caught hopefully!) at a later date, then you don't have to go and make sure you have changed EVERY SINGLE document that might have used that process.

I would suggest that every company strongly consider this methodology (most larger companies do in one form or fashion.).

I would further suggest that if you specify materials that must be supplied in a condition that may differ in ANY respect from a documented industry standard (such as requiring low temp charpy tests on structural tubing otherwise meeting ASTM-500 grade B as an example, or requiring specific heats of a material to have a restricted range of hardnesses, or chemistry to meet NACE MR0175 as another example) that you develop material standards documents as well.

Same with painting/coating/plating specs for all of the same reasons.

Remember, he who does not fully document what he wants, deserves what he gets!

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08/26/2010 10:54 PM

Spell out the final condition, but be VERY careful telling the vendor how to accomplish it. If the heat treatment doesn't meet spec after they do it your way, it's your problem, not theirs.

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08/27/2010 7:30 AM

Good point! He's the expert, otherwise you wouldn't be using him. You know what you want, let HIM figure out how to get there.

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