Pine Oil + Sulfonic Acid

Do you have a lab available to you? I would run small-scale controlled production runs in the lab. Then figure out how and when conditions in the plant process are changing and/or deviating from successful lab runs.

I apperciate your effort, but there is no proper lab. If you could describe test procedure I would manage test in 3rd party lab.

Someone gave me this formulation, I don't know if it can work using. pine oil, NP9 and sulphonic acid no quantities or mixing procedures

Pine oil is the fatty alcohol part having your disinfectant properties because of the presence of Terpenes. It is immersible or insoluble in water. Hence you got to go for a solubilizing group addition. The LABSA part is the having the anionic sulphonic group. By adding LABSA you are adding anionic group to pine oil. Both being organic they get mixed to gether.

Now by adding caustic you are converting this anion tail into Sodium salt by the use of caustic neutralization.

This seems to be the simple chemistry to me.

You can roughly roughly make 96 parts of pine oil, 4 parts of LABSA mix well and go for caustic neutralization. Prefer caustic flakes on a trial basis with cooling bath around the mix vessel.

The other route could be pine oil with oleic acid and anionic or non ionic emulsifier[ 1 to 2%] mixed under high speed stirrer, which can give milky emulsion on dilution with water.

thanks alot for the info on terpene as disinfectant. For next part and for info when we mix pine oil with LABSA (before it has been neutralized) the mixure will not form gel. The main issue now is how this gel is formed? what kind of chemical or physical bonds are there? How we can make it stable?

you can add sodium sulphate and check if viscosity is built,

The other option can be the addition of SLES gel

Turkey red oil[TRO} can also be tried as a wetting cum emulsifier to your formulation

Try the above remedies and report.

Many thanks. This is perfect answer I will go through it. Also I will keep consideration of addition of sodium sulphate and turkey red oil for more improvement. Thank you all.

B should be for Benzene sulphonic acid

Yes, I agree it is benzene ring.

Tnx so much for this insightful response. I stil have a problem, firstly my chemistry isn't good. I'll tell you how i made and eventually got a very thin pale green pine gel. In a 60Litres drums of water with the agitato going, I introduced 4% of caustic, I allowed to agitate for 20-25 mins, then I added 7.5 % of urea, allowed to agitate for another 20-25mins until completely dissolved, into that I added 15% of sulphonic acid allowed to agitate until completely dissolved then 4% MEA, and 8% pine oil very slowly I noticed it thickened but wasn't translucent. Just for colour I added 40g of green dye. End result:I noticed it turns white and then makes the mixture thin. Please, what do I do? I need a translucent, viscous pine gel. Help!

I have been using sulphonic acid and pine oil plus cold water. One thing I have noted is that the final product is not smooth. It has oil bubbles in it. What step am I missing in making it smooth and clear with not fatty bubbles?

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Greetings all

Please share and help, when making this mixture / gel sometimes it comes alright but of lately it has been getting a whitish color, not sure why.

I would like to add a simple formula for All Purpose Gel Cleaner

LABS 10

Water 75

Color

Mix all then add

Pine Oil 10

sec-Butanol about 5mL add the amount required until Gel become clear

Kindly share the specific steps you use