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Stabilizing Resistor in REF Protection

09/14/2010 8:57 PM

We generally provide a Stabilizing Resistor in a High Impedance Type REF Protection Scheme, to desensitize the relay from operating from through fault conditions - in case a CT Saturates. This resistor is calculated such that under an external fault condition (that is for full fault level), the voltage developed by the un-saturated CT shall not circulate more current than the setting in the relay - thus preventing the relay from operating for an external fault.

Now, my doubt is, will the relay not be desensitized up to this full fault level, even during an internal fault? Normally for an internal fault, the magnitude of the fault current would be much lesser than a full external fault. But, by providing the resistor, we have already desensitized the relay from operating even for a full fault current. How then, the relay gets sufficient current even after the resistor, during an internal fault?

This question has been baffling my mind for the past so many years. Try as much as might, I could not get a convincing answer so far.

Experts please opine!

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Re: Stabilising Resistor in REF Protection

09/15/2010 3:10 AM
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Re: Stabilising Resistor in REF Protection

09/15/2010 4:00 AM

This might be helpful, OK it deals with one brand of relay but gives some good information. http://search.woodward.com/PDF/IC/DOK-TD-IRI1-ERE.pdf

I've installed several REF relays but they all came with "the idiots guide to setting up". The senior engineer would provide all the setting information to me.

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Re: Stabilising Resistor in REF Protection

09/15/2010 8:17 AM

Very kind of you, Mr. Sridhar! But, as you have rightly guessed, I have already gone thro this guide manual of Areva and it is not of much help in my query. Anyhow, thanks again for your initiative.

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Re: Stabilising Resistor in REF Protection

09/15/2010 5:36 PM

Please note that in REF a CT is provided at each line/winding to be protected and the CT secondary windings are connected in parallel to the relay.

Idealy the outputof the CT's is proportional to the sum of the zero sequence currents in the line and neutral earth connection (If neutral connection is within the protected zone).

For internal earth faults that sum is equal to "2 x total fault current" but for external faults zero sequence currents are either absent or sum to zero in the line and neutral-earth connection

Stabilzation is carried out since the system is not ideal and is not meant to de-sensitize the reay.

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Re: Stabilizing Resistor in REF Protection

09/16/2010 9:33 AM

As stated before of internal and external faults, Normally we are designing relays for faults within the zone where the relay has to protect it, but what do you actually mean internal fault?

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Re: Stabilizing Resistor in REF Protection

09/17/2010 9:43 AM

Sir

During through faults one of the CTs go temporarily to saturation level. In other words we purposefully saturate one of the CTs by adding high impedance in relay path and permitting it to develop voltage enough to saturate one of the CTs. A saturated CT secondary is a short circuit path in parallel circuit of all CTs and REF relay.

During through faults, Currents from all other unsaturated CTs will be circulated through the saturated CT secondary since this is very low impedance path compared to branch in which Relay is connected(due to stabilizing resistor in series with relay).

During in zone fault no CT is there in saturated condition. So there is no low impedance path to circulate currents from CTs. All the CTs drive current through Relay circuit to operate it.

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Re: Stabilizing Resistor in REF Protection

09/18/2010 6:01 AM

A siturated CT does not provides a short circuit path, In saturation conditions only waveform gets distorted and output from the CT is unpredictable behaviour of spikes to cause relay malfunction, further CT saturation can permanantly alter the magnetic characterstics of the core. Neither adding of high value impedence is desireable since that will cause the CT's to develop voltages above 2 kv during maximum internal faults.

The high impedence REF setting and value of series stabalizing resistor is kept low enough to operate at a votage slightly higher than developed by the CT's under maximum external fault condition.

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Re: Stabilizing Resistor in REF Protection

02/01/2011 5:42 PM

Hi Everyone.

I have a question.

For a 3000/1A CT, the kneepoint voltage is 740V and I have calculated the stabilsing resistance to be in the range of 438Ohms to 617 ohms for a 60% setting. The voltage developed by the CT during a fault is 7.6kV and the minimum primary residual current detectable is approx. 2700A. The fault in the primary side is 63kA.

Can someone comment on this scheme and let me know these values are acceptable or if there's anything worong with it.

Thank you

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