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Viscosity of Clotted Blood

09/16/2010 6:41 AM

I am looking for viscosity and density values for clotted blood to put into a computational model. Most of the references I have found cite values for plasma or whole blood, but do not report values for clotted blood.

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Re: Viscosity of Clotted Blood

09/16/2010 9:08 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscosity, Maybe something here.

Engineers don't typically know much about blood, outside the context of their own, "Blood, Sweat and Tears".

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09/16/2010 11:10 AM

"Coagulation is a complex process by which blood forms clots. It is an important part of hemostasis (the cessation of blood loss from a damaged vessel), wherein a damaged blood vessel wall is covered by a platelet and fibrin-containing clot to stop bleeding and begin repair of the damaged vessel. Disorders of coagulation can lead to an increased risk of bleeding (hemorrhage) or obstructive clotting (thrombosis)." From wikipedia. Since the goal is to stop the blood flow it is quite impossible to speak about a viscosity of clotted blood since viscosity presumes fluid flow and clotted blood is not any more a fluid. However it is possible to assume in a situation when the whole section is not yet full of the nest build up by platelets and fibrin that the zone can be considered as a Bingham fluid which will only flow if the shear strains are over a threshold. In time the section (wound) is filled more and more by the nest so that the flow is stopped = viscosity extremely high. This explains why you can find viscosity values for blood or plasma (both are fluids) and not for clotted blood. The time for the building of the clot is an important parameter for the capability of the body to prevent a too important blood loss.

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09/16/2010 11:56 AM

I have a reference from Diamond et al. (below) which describes clot behaviour as liner viscoelastic, but I am trying to simplify the model by approximating the clot as a fluid.

"Clot behavior is described by linear viscoelastic theory for small deformations, in which the complex dynamic shear modulus G is defined as in terms of the dynamic elastic modulus (which scales with the crosslink density) and the dynamic loss modulus (which describes viscous flow behavior and is much smaller)."

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09/16/2010 3:17 PM

Only solids are defined in their behaviour by 2 modulus since one defines the elastic aspect and the second the internal losses. The stess is defined as the sum of an elastic term proprtional to the strain and a second term proportional to the derivative of strain versus time. As vectors the 2 are at 90° phase shift (in case of a sinsoïdal strain). Viscosity is related to the velocity proportional stress and since there is no flow it losses its meaning.

Look at the different models which combine 2 or more parameters for the properties definition.

You cannot simplify a combined elastic+internal friction behaviour as a simple fluid.

Explain what you want to simulate may be this way we can come to simple but nearer to reality model.

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09/18/2010 3:36 AM

At which stage of clotting do you require data? Surely it gets thicker as time goes by

from a jelly-like substance to a solid?

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09/18/2010 5:21 AM

Great ! You did a tremendous job at least one of the articles is very interesting since it couples the 2 parameters: the one related to the clott net and the other related to the shear (effect proportional to deformation velocity). GA from me.

I did not do your research what I wrote came from already known aspects.

If the guest wants to make a simulation he must introduce the factor time but how ?

What is the trigger ? It is not so easy.

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09/20/2010 5:05 AM

Some very good input.

I am interested in modelling the behaviour of a "point in time" formed clot in whole blood, and its interaction with a mechanical device (I'm more interested in the device than the clot). I was HOPING to characterise the clot as a fluid with a higher viscosity for the purposes of keeping the model simple.

It seems that there is no viscoscity data available for a formed clot because it is characterised as a solid with dynamic elastic modulus and an internal loss component. I'm looking at 2 options; A) model the clot as a solid or B) make up a viscoscity value and validate.

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09/20/2010 7:25 AM

If I understand correctly you consider that somewhere in a blood flow a clot appears. What do you want to do : analyse how this clot moves or how this clot, adherent to the vessel wall, interacts with the blood flow in the vessel section not yet clotted ?

Do you consider the "device" to be some thing as a stent ? or is it an "obstacle" to sense the presence of the clot ?

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