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Weld Joint On Domestic Cooking Range - Leaking

10/01/2010 2:51 AM

This is a boiler burner on a cooking range which is only 4 years old. It is leaking and has blown two transformers and the clock to date until I was so dissatisfied I told the fitter not to fit a third transformer until he finds out where small but ever present water was coming from.....which transpired to be a leaking burner. Do I just have to accept this or is it a manufacturing fault, it occurred directly on the seam of the welded joint, I don't know if it is steel or cast iron. Help please thankyou.

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Re: weld joint on domestic cooking range - leaking

10/01/2010 3:40 AM

Manufacturing fault, plain and simple

Give em' hell kid!

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10/01/2010 7:08 AM

Thank you so much for answering, I contacted the vendors, and they gave me 100+ reasons why not manufacturing cause, I didnt understand their science, but they emphatically denied it, whats more their agent who came to fix symptoms of transformers blowing twice and the timer clock blowing, whom I paid receipted me on their invoices,...the company now deny that this agent works for them any more. This is a well known company, with big pockets and I dont have the money to fight them. Is there anywhere that it is written in an Act (Ireland) that welding on a seam should not leak (even if after 4 years) They say even a leaking valve on a radiator causes system to take in new fresh water which causes rust and bursts boilers, should the boilers not be cast iron or copper? Any other help you might have would be most appreciated.

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10/01/2010 8:56 AM

If it's a welded joint it's highly unlikely to cast. Many boilers are steel now.

The only thing I can suggest is if you know a welder get him to re-weld the joint. It will mean draining the system down, you can't weld with water dripping out. Then refilling and adding a rust inhibitor. Sorry I can't be of any more help.

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10/01/2010 10:31 PM

If I read correctly, your house has hot water heat and the boiler has a leak and water is entering the gas line and ending up in the range?

This sounds odd.

It sounds like you have water in the gas line. This can only come from a leak in the gas line letting water in, or from the hot water heater?

Remember, gas is only under 2-4 inches of mercury vapor pressure, so if part of the gas line is deep enough and has a leak, then ground water will enter and might reach you

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10/02/2010 5:30 AM

There seems to be some confusion here,Do you mean Leaking boiler & not burner,You say it is a cooking range with a boiler attached,I assume this is a AGA type cooker with boiler on the side,Is it a gas or oil fired? In either case if it were a leaking burner you would either smell gas or have oil build up,So I think that you mean a boiler leak, Most of this type of these range/boilers have cast iron boiler casings & a bad casting can be porous and let out a fine spray of mist that is invisible to the eye but if you place a mirror where you think it's leaking from just to determine if there is a leak then you will have some ammunition to build a case from,Incidentaly are you north or south? In the north you can report this to the Corgi institute who are the gas regulators,I'm not sure how it works in the south but I wouldn't mind betting that there is a similar setup,Another line to follow is Trading standards,also go back to where you bought from they have an obligation to do what they can to help you and by the way if you end up suing anyone it should be the supplier not the manufacturer,I cant give you any more advice as to the cause of the electrics failing & its a mystery as to why they should get wet when most of this type of appliance have the transformer's outside the area of contact with water. Start writing letters find out the name and address of the COEs of the manufacturers,the suppliers,and anyone else that are involved,Believe me the CEO will not like letters arriving on his home door mat.

NB If you can find a leak a good welder should be able to seal it, there are also additives that you can add to the water that can chemically seal the leak,worth considering. Do post the name of the appliance so others can avoid the same problems But warn the maufacturer first.

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10/04/2010 5:15 PM

Thank you all very much for your helpful responses. Just to clarify, and give an indication of how Companies treat people in an economy turndown, 1. The Supplier is the Manufacturer, of Cooking Ranges like AGA that heat central heating and water, and you can cook on the cast iron hob. In my case, my cooker is an oil fired burner (no gas), and the boiler is made of mild steel (which I agree - these used to be always made of cast iron..but new models are made of mild steel of this type)..... It did leak tiny drops ie a drop a day until noticed because the clock broke....and the leak was on a joint/seam. They the company blamed water oxidization as a cause amongst numerous other causes. Their engineer came 4 times to fix and never noticed the small leak. ~The company denied their engineer works for them anymore and claimed not privy to contract..etc....For those of us who until now believed use only the firm that supply you with the good, ...forget it....this time I will repair it cheaper, with a welder, thank you for your suggestions. Also as a warning for anyone else, it is the customer who has to prove the defect was not caused by their action or inaction...ie making sure anti rust solution is in your system etc. al in all a very expensive legal battle with engineers, and without going legal they offer to repair by replacing the burner/boiler at nearly 3K....I could have two basic central heating systems for that! What has gone wrong with the world.

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10/08/2010 3:04 PM

Please name the company here, it will serve to warn us all NEVER to buy from them ever again.

I will name intel and Sony as two similar "problem" companies......

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Re: Weld Joint On Domestic Cooking Range - Leaking

10/02/2010 3:21 PM

There are epoxy putties in hardware stores that are intended for just this type of use. They can be used even with the water pressure on. Check to see if they are intended for use at the maximum temperature that this water reaches.

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10/08/2010 3:48 PM

Oh, thnak you , I will try epoxy before a weld. thanks again

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