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Anti-Barking Devices

10/01/2010 10:00 AM

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I am writing to ask about the legality of using an ANTI BARKING DEVICE in the state of Connecticut. Can it be used without the dog owner's knowledge of it being used? And can it be placed on a neighbor's property to stop their dogs from barking, agan without their knowledge of its presence? And can these devices injure the dogs or small children in the vicinity?

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Re: anti dog barking devices

10/01/2010 10:15 AM

99.99 percent of the CR4 forum members are not located in the State of Connecticut therefore this subset would not have local knowledge in that jurisdiction.

As you are a CT resident, you are in a far better position to know, or find the answer.

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10/01/2010 10:39 AM

As far as installing an electronic device on someone else's property, I can not advise you as to the legality (I do not reside in Connecticut) but I would say that commonsense should prevail here - short answer - don't do it.

Most bark stop devices on the market only work temporally if at all. The dogs eventually get used to the sounds the device emit and after a short time ignore the sounds.

Having encountered ignorant dog owners myself through the years, I have found that a simple request made to the dog owner takes care of the problem.

I have however on more than one occasion encountered dog owners that even after having made the request chose to ignore it. They felt that they're dog(s) had every right to bark incessantly throughout the day and night.

And NO, a 12Ga shot gun is not the answer either

Try talking to them or contact the local animal control office or move. I wish I could offer more of a fix to you, but this is it.

I know that this is a very frustrating situation for you, it was for me.

Good Luck!

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10/01/2010 11:37 AM

Why are you paying for a device to fix someone else's problem?

As others have said, placing any device on someone else's property is called trespassing. If you think buying the device is expensive, wait to you see what a lawsuit costs. I also doubt that the device will be effective.

Most communities have nuisance laws that are designed to combat your situation at no cost to you.

However, the first line of attack is to work with your neighbor to fix the problem. It is called being neighborly. If your neighbor is unwilling to fix his problem, then you can call the police department and log a complaint each time the problem occurs. This will fix the problem, but I would always try working with the neighbor first. There are bark collars designed to teach dogs not to bark and they are effective and your neighbor will pay for that out of his pocket.

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10/01/2010 12:09 PM

Having given this a little more thought, there may be another option.

IF the neighbor is unable or unwilling to resolve his dogs' nuisance barking, breedh can purchase a dog shock collar, fit it around the neighbors neck and every time the dog barks give the neighbor a zap.

May take a while but the neighbor should eventually catch on and quiet his yapper down.

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10/01/2010 12:32 PM

I may have miscommunicated my central question; it it the following:

my renter has 3 dogs; they are not a particular problem, and the neighbor has never filed a comlaint to the police, the renter or to me; however, while cutting the grass, I found an anti-barking device attached to my fence and pointed into my yard, where the renter has her three dogs. I find this very disturbing, as it is unneighborly, and the renter has 3 small kids, too, and I am worried about the effect on her kids and her dogs. I just can't see why a neigbor whom I have known for years would do this without informing me or the renter that he was directing this device into my yard, attached to me fence. I can't imagine it not being illegal.

Your comments and thoughts ar appreciated.

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10/01/2010 1:21 PM

Ah, see I assumed the worst therefore becoming the first three letters

Again, I can not advise you if it is legal or not but it certainly is not neighborly.

I do not believe the device is a threat to the children's' health.

These devices typically generate high frequency sound waves unnoticeable to humans.

If a neighbor went through the trouble of purchasing and installing the device, the dogs are obviously disturbing someone.

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10/01/2010 2:18 PM

Is it possible a pedestrian simply found the device on the ground and placed it near the discovery site in plain view, thus the owner in search of the collar might more easily see it?

Are you certain the event has unfolded as you describe here?

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10/01/2010 2:25 PM

It has no effect once you remove and save the battery and then toss the offending device into the trash.

These devices are harmless and probably equally useless for their advertised purpose.

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10/02/2010 12:12 PM

Since the anti barking device as claimed, is attached on to your fence, pointed towards your yard, Why not just turn them around 180 degrees so that now they will be pointing away from your yard and toward your neighbor's yard instead?? Just do it without your neighbors knowledge or while they are away then observe. At any rate, the device is mounted on your own fence and you can do whatever since its your property!

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10/02/2010 1:06 PM

And see if the neighbors stop barking about the dog? ;-)

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10/02/2010 4:07 PM

Exactly......... for all we know, the OP may be barking at the wrong tree to begin with?

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10/04/2010 11:24 AM

Based on the clarifying post and my experience in law enforcement… I might suggest the following.

First, take a photo of the device, that identifies your property and the direction the device is pointing. Put a copy of the photo in a file and note the date. Odds are you will never have to refer back to it, but if this turns into an ongoing issue, which I doubt it will if you continue with the following advice, you have evidence. A gradual collection of similar evidence will provide a course of action responding to the criminal definition of harassment… much more effective than trespassing. But, again, odds are you will not have to go there…

After documenting the issue… heed the advice provided earlier and be neighborly, take the device back to your neighbor and speak with them. You mentioned you have known this neighbor for many years, but inferring from the above, you don't live there… your renters do.

Has your neighbor tried previously and failed to speak with your renters about their dogs? Are your renters neighborly? Is the relationship between your renters and your neighbor amicable, friendly, or more of a 'we agree to not make eye contact' type? Only this will be identified through open dialogue with your neighbor. This dialogue will also enforce in their mind that you are a caring landlord and care about the impact your rental property has on the community and that you value your neighbor's concerns potentially more than your renter's.

My advice… do not read into who placed the device on your fence, or why, until after you have performed your due diligence.

As the landlord, you are the first line of 'crisis management' between your renters and your neighbors. A proactive, open-minded, and friendly approach is always the first step. And I have found that I have had to respond to fewer calls associated to renal property issues where the landlord maintains a friendly relationship with his neighbors and a business relationship with his renters. Renters come and go more frequently than your neighbors do… thus the focus of your relationship building should be with your neighbors. A side benefit to this is the proactive phone call from a neighbor that you maintain relationship with advising you of the potentially questionable activity of a less than ethical renter.

So, go mend the fence (pun intended ) with your neighbor.

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10/04/2010 2:52 PM

Excellent advice.

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10/02/2010 12:13 AM

Hi Breedh

My experience of the reason dogs bark, is that they are unable to see and smell a perceived danger, due to high fences. A simple solution is to cut some panels in the fence and if necessary cover them with mesh.

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10/02/2010 7:51 AM

Probably not.. The reasons dog bark is because they are protecting their territory.

Ever go by a chain link fence and a dog is barking? They see you.

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10/02/2010 9:13 AM

Hi Hero,

By going to the chain link fence, you are threatening the dogs territory, in the same way as if you approached the aperture I'm suggesting, but if you don't pose a threat and the dog can see you, then generally the dog won't bark.

When the dog can't see the threat, then it will bark.

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10/02/2010 9:28 AM

I must disagree with you on that one. Maybe YOUR dog won't generally bark as long as he can see someone, but, speaking from a former letter carriers point of view, poppycock. Dogs are just like people, in that they have different personalities. However, the large majority will protect their "territory" just like us humans. They're not so good at putting up no trespassing signs, so instead, they will bark. They will bark at a person on or near their property. They will bark at someone walking down the street, though not too near. They will bark at other dogs, cats, squirrels, it doesn't matter. Some barks are for perceived necessity, some are commentary. They get into habits that are reinforced. Person comes near, (such as mailman), dog barks, person goes away (was going to anyway, but dog doesn't know that). Daily basis, dog thinks he did his job. Certain types of dogs bark more than others, but I don't think that just because a dog can see you, that he won't bark.

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10/02/2010 9:34 AM

Not necessarily true. Dogs instinctively bark when anyone gets near their territory. Doesn't matter if they see you or not. If they sense someone is near they go into protective mode. Some dogs and breeds do this more than others, but the basic instinct is the same.

The dog doesn't rationalize in the same way you and I think. Anyone that the dog does not recognize as a pack member will be subject to barking.

Dogs may also bark if they are contained and do not have enough exercise and stimulation. However, that is a pathological situation.

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10/02/2010 9:48 AM

Maybe our Australian dogs are more relaxed than your highly stressed ones. I agree with all the comments regarding territory, breed and exercise, but my experience from supplying fences, if the dog can see then it barks less.

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I've been in community parks, across the street from and 60' or more away from properties with dogs and have had the dogs bark regularly at me, each time I go around if I'm running (or X-country skiing) laps.

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10/04/2010 8:37 AM

Or you could have a dog like ours who's so laid back she doesn't bark at anyone. Come to think of it, I don't know if she can bark. I hear somebody barking in the back yard sometimes at night, but I've never been watching so I don't actually know that it's her. Maybe I better take her to the vet for a sound quality test.

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10/08/2010 3:17 PM

I had a friend in the UK many years ago who had an unfriendly couple with three big dogs next door. The couple worked 9 to 5 each working day and the dogs had the run of the garden all day and they barked all day.

He bought a lot of a special chocolate called Ex-Lax at the chemists!!

Just before the couple came home, he fed the dogs one bar, in bits, over the fence.

They were hungry..

The dogs poop themselves stupid every night.

In the house.

3 weeks later - no dogs!!!

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10/08/2010 4:06 PM

Chocolate is poison for dogs. It could be enough to kill them!

Never give dogs chocolate.

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10/08/2010 5:09 PM

Ex-Lax is a Laxative......with Chocolate flavouring.

We think they put the dogs down, before the chocolate could kill them.....

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10/08/2010 6:14 PM

Doesn't take much.

There was a rash of sad stories not long ago where dogs were dying and it turned out to be the brown decorative mulch people were using. The mulch contains cocoa and they were ingesting the mulch.

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