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Orifice Flange Size Question

10/17/2010 12:59 PM

Hello All:

Orifice flanges come in standard sizes 1in and larger. I was wondering if it is possible to get orifice flanges in sizes smaller than 1in and what do the codes/standards say about this?

For example, ASME B16.39 standard orifice flanges have exactly the same dimensions as ASME B16.5 flanges with the additional dimensions covering the location and size of the pressure tap holes. Can I simply get a standard 3/4in ASME B16.5 flange and drill a 1/4in NPT pressure tap hole in it? Does the flange have to go through some sort of qualification/examination process before it is deemed safe/reliable to be used?

Your input is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Orifice Flange Size Question

10/17/2010 6:08 PM

I have been watching your post all day to see what responses you would get. None so far so I will offer the following:

  • I could not find any site/Catalog showing any Orifice Flanges smaller than 1"
  • I do not recommend using anything under 1", in fact I suggest you go up one or two sizes to get better readings on your Flow Control.
  • I think you meant to write ASME B16.36 which covers Orifice Flanges (see below)
  • You did not say what Flange Class you were dealing with but the minimum "T" dimension (Thickness of the Flange Rim) for a 1" or 2" is 1.50" for Class 300, 600, 1500 and 2500 (1" only). This extra Rim thickness is what allows for the Pressure Tap in the Rim.None of the Standard Weld Neck Flanges in 1" and 2" are that thick except the 2" Class 1500 & 2500.
  • You did not share your Process Operating conditions (Pressure and Temperature) or the commodity so we cannot make any factual conclusions.
  • As for "qualification/examination process before it is deemed safe/reliable to be used" I would suggest you check with your Insurance Company Representative.

The bottom line for me is I do not recommend that you use a B16.5 Flange and modify it.

ASME B16.36 Document Information:

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Orifice flanges

ASME International

Publication Date:
Nov 4, 2009

Scope:

This Standard covers flanges (similar to those covered in ASME B16.5) that have orifice pressure differential connections. Coverage is limited to the following:

(a) welding neck flanges Classes 300, 600, 900, 1500, and 2500. U.S. Customary units are presented in Mandatory Appendix I.

(b) slip-on and threaded Class 300.

(c) welding neck flanges Class 400 in U.S. Customary units in Mandatory Appendix II.

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Re: Orifice Flange Size Question

10/18/2010 8:45 AM

It is a standard practice to limit the use of orifice flanges to 2" or larger size.

Below 2" size for any accuracy you use honed meter tube with orifice flanges(below 2" pipe size the ID's and roundness can vary a lot)

If the flow is very small then you use integral orifice assembly with meter runs.

These are manufactured by Taylor,Foxboro,Emerson etc.(The co-efficient of discharge for these are established by the manufacturer)

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Re: Orifice Flange Size Question

10/24/2010 1:26 PM

Hello:

Thanks for the recommendations. The reason I initially asked the question was because I need a pressure tap at the location of a flanged turbine flow meter. The flow meter if of 3/4in nominal size and I realized that there are no standard orifice flanges that come in that size that I could use. Therefore, in my application the exact location of the pressure tap is irrelevant as long as it is close to the location of the flow meter.

Then having consulted ASME B16.36, I realized that there is no restriction on pressure taps on smaller sized flanges. ASME B16.36 only states that the listed sizes are "standard", but it does not say that smaller sizes are not recommended or not allowed. Furthermore, the standard orifice flange sizes are exactly the same as those listed in ASME B16.5. So, lead me to ask the question if I could also pressure tap a smaller size flange than those listed as standard in ASME B16.36. I need max a 3 mm hole.

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Re: Orifice Flange Size Question

10/18/2010 10:59 AM

Actually you can make any size of orifice aperture, but standardized orifice prevents painful calculations. Good luck with drilling holes!

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