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Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/19/2010 1:56 AM

Hi All,

We have to design a flange 42" class 1500# as per ASME VIII Div 1 App 2. Flange material is A707-L5 CL3 but since it is to be connected to Valve with material as A350 LF2, we are asking vendor to design the flange as per allowable stress value of A350 LF2 only with material as A707-L5 CL3 so that the template could match with that of the valve.

My concern:

While designing the flange, which allowable stress value is to be used? As per ASME Sec VIII Div 1, values are to be used from Sec II part D table A1 which are different from allowable stress value of ASME B31.3.

The problem arises when some vendor use the allowable stress value from B31.3 while some use from ASME sec VIII Div 1.

Does the code Sec VIII Div 1, allows the stress value to be used from B31.3??

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Yog J

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/19/2010 3:02 AM

Hello,

as per asme VIII - Div-1, Table U-3, the list of codes are mentioned, which you can refer & use in the designing of vessel as per ASME VIII- Div,1

B31.3 is not mentioned in the table, hence I afraid, vendor need to follow ASME VIII Div-1 approved material, so either ref, material/ Design as per Table U-3 or Follow ASME II-A/D

I hope this is sufficient for you.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/19/2010 11:56 AM

INCORRECT - see comment #2 below.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/19/2010 11:55 AM

What type of system will this design flange be ultimately installed in?

If you are designing a flange for B31.3 piping then use the B31.3 allowables as per:

B31.3 304.5.1

"(b) A flange may be designed in accordance with the
BPV Code, Section VIII, Division 1, Appendix 2, using
the allowable stresses and temperature limits of the B31.3
Code. Nomenclature shall be as defined in Appendix 2,

except as follows: ..."

If you are designing a flange to be installed on a Section VIII VESSEL use the Sec II allowables.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/20/2010 12:02 AM

Thanks Guest.....This is what i was looking for....yes, i am connecting my flange to valve in line with piping code only..so i will be using allowable stress of B31.3 only.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/20/2010 12:57 PM

WOW.... 42 inch and 1500 class !!

What is the design temeperature and pressure of the system ?

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/21/2010 1:11 AM

Its in Offshore application....3000 psig and 200 Deg F..

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/21/2010 12:00 AM

All design calculations for flange shall be in accordance with ASME BPVC, Section VIII, Division 1, Appendix 2. And all allowable stresses shall be obtained from ASME BPVC, Section II, Part D (Table 1A , SubPart 1). The TEMA code itself ask to fellow the rules of ASME VIII, Div. 1 while you proceed a design for any flange required for a heat exchanger.

Also, the acceptance criteria for stresses (ratio of actual to calculated in both operating and seating conditions) such as SH, SR, ST, 0.5(SH+SR)... etc. shall be governed and controlled by the rules of ASME VIII, Div. 1, Appendix 2-7 and 2-8.

See the attached example of flange design calculations: Flange_Design_Calculations.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/21/2010 1:15 AM

Acceptance limit of stress is that comparison of the actual stress (calculated) and the allowable stress (acceptance criteria) as indicated per the code.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/21/2010 1:18 AM

@ Galala,

Thanks for the detailed reply but as far as allowable stress values are concerned, i still agree with the post commented above about B31.3 304.5.1 since flange is to be connceted to valve only and not to mechanical equipment like heat exchanger. Had it been connected to mechanical equipment, i would have considered the allowable stress values from Sec II part D only.

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Re: Flange Design 42" Class 1500 #

10/21/2010 12:40 PM

Yes, I agree you and Guest (Post #2) where Para. 304.5.1 of ASME B31.3, allows using of its allowable stresses of Table A-1 in design of flanges.

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