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Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/19/2010 5:02 PM

Hello everybody:

In a general manner, the power delivered by a hydraulic turbine is:

P = ηt * ηg * ηtr * 9,81 * Qd * Hn [kW]

Where: ηt = turbine efficiency.

ηg = generator efficiency.

ηtr = transformer efficiency.

Qd = design flow, [m³/s].

Hn = Net head, [m].

Where: Hn = H gross – Σ hf

H gross = Gross head, [m].

hf = Head losses, [m].

Being for a Pelton turbine:

Σ hf = h friction + h minor losses + h manifold + h jets

I have designed a spreadsheet to calculate that power, taking into account ALL the variables indicated above.

I have tested the accuracy of my spreadsheet against the calculations achieved during the design of small hydro power plants that have been running since several years ago and, for my surprise, I have found that for the calculations of Σ hf, they have NOT taken h jets, that is a loss of around 6% of the Gross Head.

My question is: why is it possible that for the power calculation, sometimes h jets is taken into consideration and, sometimes it is left aside?

For a particular calculation, P = 10000 kW without h jets, and P results to be 9328 kW if h jets is added to the equation.

I will appreciate very much your feedback on this matter. Thanks.

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Re: Pelton turbine power calculation

10/19/2010 5:21 PM

hjets might have been "folded in" with hminor losses or with overall ηtr.

Or a 6% discrepancy might just have been ignored.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/20/2010 8:27 AM

Practically the power house is to operate under; maximum loading, part load and under variable loading conditions during various parts of a day.

Load factor of the plant is the determining factor and varies from plant to plant.

Stream flow to the reservoir varies during various seasons of the year, Head cannot be practically maintained constant.

Areas like unit speed, specific speed and methods to reduce cavitation need to be taken care of.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/20/2010 11:12 AM

Hello everybody:

Thanks Tornado and mountk2 for your reply.

In brief, I submit the data for one small hydropower plant:

Reservoir Water Level, max948 m.a.s.l.
Reservoir Water Level, min948 m.a.s.l.
Tailrace Water Level, max500.2 m.a.s.l.
Tailrace Water Level, min500 m.a.s.l.
Gross Head,448 m
Low pressure conduction pipe diameter1m
Low pressure conduction pipe length1156m
Steel Penstock diameter1m
Steel Penstock length1508m
Flow rate, max2.74m³/s

Penstock:

Mean velocity3.49m/s
Trashrack losses0.70m
Losses at pipe entrance0.02m
Losses in bends and elbows0.78m
Friction losses in the pipe9.53m
Inlet valve losses0.06m
Manifold losses0.20m
Losses at pipe reductions0.25m

Nozzles (jets) losses

26.48

m

Total friction losses

38.03m
Net Head for the Project409.97m
Turbine efficiency: 0.9

Generatot efficiency: 0.95

Transformer efficiency: 0.99

Power House:

Installed Capacity9328kW
Number and type of Units2Pelton horizontal

As you can see, the losses in the jets are of some important magnitude compared with the rest of losses.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/20/2010 12:24 PM

Interesting. My earlier reply was only a guess, and not a particularly good one, seeing how large the hjets value is in this example.

Maybe the calculation methods that omit the hjets value are meant for other types of turbines where this feature is absent or minute?

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/21/2010 1:24 AM

Your original post refers to "small hydro" the data sheet you have provided says 9328 kW installed capacity based on two units of Pelton horizontal!

Overall efficiency of 85% to 90% may usually be obtained in large machines of the order you have specified.

Technically the overall efficiency reaches its peak when the ratio U/V1 is slightly less than the theoretical value of 0.5, say about 0.46.

As for the generators optimum output is stringently binding so the BHP of the prime mover is a prime concern.

As for the jets, with me it goes insignificant since the schemes are dual purpose (irrigation) accordingly from my viewpoint, standard procedures are to be followed as a general practice only.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/21/2010 4:56 AM

Hi.

This is also a guess, but I would have included the head loss from the nozzles in with the headloss for the manifold, which would, of course, be different at different loads.

As for efficiency, I've seen that for <10MW peltons, generally considered small hydro in Norway, the turbine efficiency for a new turbine is usually guaranteed at around 92%. This is at least the case for the 4 small hydro plants we're working on now.

This efficiency is generally followed up during commissioning with turbine efficiency measurements for warrantying the turbine, which my company specializes in.

I'm new to hydro, but I'm pretty sure the basis for calculating efficiency in turbines is experience, measuring and modelling. They go backwards, starting with the measurements and then finding the headloss coefficient for specific nozzels and manifolds and so on.

Are you comparing your calculations to measured loss, to others' calculations of the same turbine, or recommended calculations? The 6% loss- I'm not sure where you believe you are not finding headloss for the jets.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/21/2010 10:18 AM

You might try looking for jets of a different and more efficient design if that is your only truly controllable variable.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/21/2010 10:31 AM

Hello everybody:

Once again, thanks for your replies.

hooplah; yes, I am comparing my own calculations to other´s calculations of the same turbine.

My calculations of the losses can be accounted as follows:

Minor head losses in penstock = 1,81 m ------> 0,40%

Friction losses in penstock = 9,53 m ----------> 2,13%

Manifold losses = 0,20 m ----------------------> 0,04%

Nozzles losses = 26,48 m ----------------------> 5,91%

Total losses = 8,48%. This gives to me a Net Head of ~ 410 m, instead of 435,54 m calculated by others; where clearly can be seen that they have omitted the nozzles losses.

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Re: Pelton Turbine Power Calculation

10/22/2010 3:05 AM

Hi Eleman,

It seems you've found your 6%. If you need additional proof, perform/have performed an efficiency measurement to confirm your suspicions, though I would think it was quite obvious. I think the main question is who did the original calculations and how respected/how much higher on the chain of command is that person to you... that is if you are nervous about presenting your findings.

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