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Small AC Generator Three Phase

10/25/2010 5:08 PM

hi all,

would you pls explain to me how this happened, if you know!

it is an old 7kw ac generator three phase, brush type driven by small engine 2piston, 3000RPM. the voltage regulation is not with automatic voltage regulator.

there is something like three phase transformer, there are three small wires coming out from the generator, i checked the voltage on these wires and it was about 48 ac volts when the generator output is 380v, with no load.

these three wires are connected to this transformer and there is output from this transformer wich are three wires as well and connected to three phase bridge rectifier, from this bridge rectifier the generator rotor coil is connected via slip rings.

the main three phases wires are connected to this transformer ''hard wire'' and then to the main breaker.

i cancelled all of this and i used AVR, its input is 240v and output max volts is 90vdc max amps is 6amps.

it worked fine with this regulator, i checked the output voltage from the regulator to generator rotor and it was 37dcv when generator voltage was 380v without load. i run the generator for about 20 minutes then i noticed that there is resistor on the regulator is getting very hot. i tried with another type of regulator and it was same problem. the resistace of the generator rotor was 53 ohms, the amps was only 0.7 amps.

i tought because this regulator normaly working on brushless generator, the output voltage from the regulator normaly is about 10-15dcv with generator loaded so the extra heat on that resistor was because of high output voltage from the regulator,

my question is why its getting hot while they said that the max output voltage is 90vdc and it was only 37vdc?

does that mean this regulator is not good to use with this type of generators?

the main problem of this generator was that its not generating at all times, i start it and it works fine, i stop it, when i start it the next day it will not generate power.

i thought the problem is that it looses the residual flux.

can i use push botton switch to supply the generator rotor with 12dcv from a battery to flash it if it will not generate or there is another better solution?

please advice

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Re: small ac generator three phase

10/25/2010 5:23 PM

Yo guest As far as I can get out of your message there is something wrong with the rectifying circuit of the exitation coil. We used to give then an 12 or 24 v batteryimpuls as well on our generators until we had the spareparts So you need to check the rectifier , this can be a little circuit of Zenerdiodes or a complete rectifier. It looks as if it's leaking towards earth or is loosing power trough one of the Zeners. To place a temp supply towards your exitation coils is quite good as long as you give only a short impuls. Good luck T L.

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Re: small ac generator three phase

10/25/2010 7:29 PM

hi, thanks for your reply

its three phase full wave rectifier, i already checked the six diodes with multimeter and the were ok, now how can i know if its leaking to earth?... or should i just buy new bridge rectifier and give it try!

actually, this engine is hand cranking, so if i will use the second solution, i need to buy battery and but it beside the generator, and sure i need to take it for charge from while to another as there is no alternator fitted on the engine.

so its quite un preferably.

thanks

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Re: small ac generator three phase

10/26/2010 12:47 AM

Yo

The diodeplates are supposed to be totally insulated from earth / chassis if not you have a shorting there

Did you try to measure the resistance of the exitation_coil and it's leads (separated from the rectifier) towards the chassis ?

It should read more then 20 meg Ohms

Further it's also possible that the exitation coil has an internal short circuit, hence the low voltage and the overheating resistor.

You didn't mention the brand/type of the generatorset

So give me that too, maybe I can check how high the internal resistance of the coil has has to be.

Good Luck

TTYL T L.

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Re: small ac generator three phase

10/26/2010 3:05 PM

hi,

sorry for late reply

i checked the resistance of the rotor coil and it was 53 ohms, i tested with megger and it was more than 20 meg ohms.

the engine is lombardini, but i could not read on the generator side as the name plate is gone.

thanks

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10/26/2010 4:30 PM

Hi again ,

No prob, time is irrilevant

So the resistnce of the coil is good and insulated.

pls check also the rectifierplates first against earth/chassis

then against each other ,so the 2 sets of 3 diodes ,

check their resistance , invert the test leads and check again.

see that you get appr. the same reading for one diodeplate to the other.

if there is a substantial difference , then you could check each diode separately.

then you might have to purchase 6 new ones or equivalents.

further I can see at the moment is loss of residual flux as you yourself mentioned before.

Gino AG

Check tab Gino excitation resistors

Tried Lombardini sets alas only new type and no diagrams. (not yet, my Google A.I. checks on )

In the meantime good luck with testing and hand_excitation

L8rz.. Ciao T L

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