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Vac Truck Hose Angle

11/09/2010 8:34 PM

We are trying to empty coal oil sludge from a large tank. Wondering if it is better to hold the 6" pipe on a steep angle and suck a lot of air with the material or to plunge it in and blast with steam and water at the end of the pipe. We are using an industrial vac truck.

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Re: Vac Truck hose angle

11/09/2010 8:38 PM

I've never been a fan of, "steep angle and suck" if I could, "plunge it in and blast".

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11/11/2010 8:25 AM

Lyn,

If this is truly a "personal" preference, you definitely rate a GA for off topic.

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11/11/2010 8:30 AM

Thanks. That means a lot to me.

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11/09/2010 10:07 PM

I worked in the oil fields this spring operating a super vac truck which is probably similar to what you are using. To suck up heavy thick material the best method is to use a 3 or 4 inch hose to develop a higher truck vacuum level and greater hose velocity. With thick heavy media a smaller hose is better than a larger hose to a point.

If a good volume of air is continually being drawn in with the media you can get far greater volume transfers and from greater elevation changes than just what a straight vacuum can lift.

We often moved invert mud which is like wet cement in both weight per unit volume and consistency. With straight truck vacuum it can only be lifted around 15 feet but using the gulp and surge method it can be sucked straight up over 40 feet and quite quickly as well.

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11/11/2010 8:54 AM

tcmtech is exactly right, and if you are wondering why, read on.

The reason is that the process of getting any media (particulate or liquid droplet) into a vacuum hose is governed by the drag coefficient you can induce on the particle. This is based on the particle's shape and the relative velocity of the air stream moving across the particle. The drag force is what liberates the target particle from the substrate and gets it into the air stream.

Once the particle or droplet is within the air stream or hose, the continued movement of the particle is governed, no longer by drag, but by the pressure differential across the particle (lower on the downstream side, higher upstream). This is because after the particle is moving, it accelerates and approaches the air stream's velocity, thereby lowering the relative velocity of air across it, and reducing the drag felt by the target. At this point, a free body diagram of a particle reveals that the pressure imbalance on the target particle is greater than the drag and is responsible for continued movement.

This is how vacuum cleaning systems work, and you can prove this to yourself with a shop-vac in a little experiment. Such vacuums are often capable of producing over 100 aCFM (measured as the "actual" inlet conditions of temperature and pressure, which is called the volumetric flow, not mass flow such as SCFM. If you ever see CFM, this means actual, and for a mass flow such as SCFM, the "standard," or "S" must be indicated.) and 120" of water column vacuum (And remember that it takes ~27.7 inches of water column to equal 1 PSI). Then put a coin on a flat surface, and while the vacuum source is off, place the vacuum hose over it so the hose opening is normal to the surface. This will drastically reduce or prevent any air from entering the hose when it is on, however the vacuum produced in the hose will be the maximum the vacuum source can develop. Then turn the vacuum source on. Even though your source may be capable of even greater vacuum levels and flow rates, the coin will not come off the surface. Next, tilt the vacuum hose to establish air flow. The coin will come off the surface and you will hear it clunking down the hose!

For pesky viscous liquids, it is often necessary to help induce the drag needed to liberate the target from the surface it is on with an air knife.

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11/15/2010 3:19 AM

Refer the following link:

http://www.exair.com/en-US/Primary%20Navigation/Products/Industrial%20Housekeeping/Drum%20Vacs/Pages/Drum%20Vac%20Home.aspx

This will help you to convey the sludge in both directions.

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