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RPZ Sizing and Location

11/10/2010 7:56 AM

Hi guys,

My building never had any RPZ and it is 12 story in NY. Please advise me.

thanks

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 8:20 AM

Please have your question reviewed by the Acronym Review Board.

http://irb.usu.edu/htm/training/irb-acronyms/

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Re: RPZ?

11/10/2010 8:20 AM
RPZReduced Pressure Zone
RPZRegistered Power Zone
RPZRunway Protection Zone
RPZResidential Parking Zone
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Re: RPZ?

11/10/2010 9:16 AM

Or?

NYNext Year
NYNot Yet
NYNorth Yeti
NYNeutral Yellow
NYNew Yorkshire

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Re: RPZ?

11/12/2010 9:43 AM

Thanks JOHN DZ for going thru all acronyms

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 8:44 AM

???

What are you talking about?

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 9:27 AM

Its a type of backflow preventer guys.

In this case I believe it stands for Reduced Pressure Zone - which gives an indication of how it works to prevent a backflow of water.

The purpose of a backflow preventer is to protect potable water supplies. If the upstream pressure from the municipality were to drop, a back siphoning effect could cause water flow in the opposite direction, back into the municipal supply. If say there was a garden hose attached to a hose bib and that hose was sitting in a pool of stagnant water and the valve to the hose was open, a back siphoning would pull contaminated water from the stagnant pool back into the municipal supply and contaminate it. This could lead to sickness or worse for all of the other customers connected to that same municipal supply. An RPZ backflow preventer senses the reverse flow of water and shunts the water flow to drain, thereby protecting the upstream municipal supply of potable water.

Backflow Preventer is a generic term. There are different methods to prevent back flow (e.g. vacuum breakers, double check valves, air gaps, RPZ) but the RPZ method is the most reliable and is usually what is required by municipalities on multi-family dwellings, businesses and manufacturing facilities. Single family dwellings usually do not have RPZs but employ the use of vacuum breakers or air gaps. Lavatory fixtures usually have some type of vacuum breaker or air gap integrated into their design.

In your situation, perhaps there is some type of air gap that protects the municipal supply. Does your building have a water tower and if so, is there a separation between where the outlet pipe from the municipal supply and the overflow level of the water storage tank? If not, you are most likely in violation of the code and could be subject to severe penalties. You may still be in violation of code even with an air gap. Air gaps are an arcane method of backflow prevention and do not provide the level of protection that typically comes from an RPZ. I'm not a code expert and you need to review the local codes and ordinances to see what applies in your situation.

One word of advice, if you are going to take the time to install an ZPZ, install two of them in parallel and make sure that you have valves on the inlet and outlet sides of both of them. The reason, if an RPZ fails inspection, the inspector is required to take the device out of service. By having two, you will reduce the chance of a water outage to your building. Another important thing, backflow prevention devices must be registered with the municipality to which the water supply is connected and they are required to be teseted at least once per year.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Paul

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 10:06 AM

very helpful Paul.

May god bless u.

For the info of spectators who just want to have fun and notjing else.

Reduced pressure zone. NEW YORK is a city and state

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11/10/2010 10:20 AM

But NY is not an RPZ.

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11/10/2010 10:50 AM

New York is also one of five Boroughs (Manhattan) which today comprise the City of New York, the others being Brooklyn (aka "Kings"), "Queens", "The Bronx", and "Staten Island".

Prior to annexation, Brooklyn was a separate City, fourth largest in the United States at the time.

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 10:19 AM

Good morning MrGeneRall.

I vote you a GA for your complete description of the device mentioned in the original post (OP). Well worded and informative, well done.

With the information, is the plea "My building never had any RPZ and it is 12 story in NY. Please advise me." satisfied? Dear Guest, what advice do you need? Size and location?

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11/10/2010 10:39 AM

Dear Sir,

Please read the title again and I repeat for u :

"RPZ sizing and location."

My fault is " I am not saying it again in the Text"

Hope this satisfies your querry.

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 1:18 PM

Rule #75 is applicable here.

I'll paraphrase: "A posting, usually by Guest, usually one sentence, which usually makes no sense.

Your post meets these criteria very nicely.

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11/10/2010 1:42 PM

Dear LYN LYNCH,

PLEASE explain the GUEST-what is rule #75 so that every guest follows it.

I am sorry if I offended you

I got the answer from Tornado and Paul and gave them GA.They understood the brief and to the point question.

Do not know what should we call your answer. One thing; it was brief too and did not make sense.

You want to discourage brief questions which do not make sense to one person out of so many who answered it and raised good questions.

USE OF EXPLICIT NY FOR new york has been corrected. mEANING OF RPZ to a Mech engineer should wake him up to brush his knowledge.

ALL in all it is no fun in continuing this argument. Please accept Guest's apology if that will satisfy you + your big ego.

THANKS FOR creating this problem.

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11/11/2010 2:17 AM

I like that the Anonymous Coward yelled at you & still managed to get 10 OT [off topic] votes from our OBO [our benovolent overlords also know as moderators]

Hopefully the AC takes note of my examples of how to define various acronyms

though MGR[MrGeneRall] has submitted a fine description of the operation & reason for installing a backflow preventer, a more complete description of the device would be: double check backflow preventer with integrated relief valve. The area between the checks being described as the reduced pressure zone & where the relief valve would be located.

This would have been totally unnecessary had the AC managed to irritate a few more electrons & actually been able to formulate a coherent complete question, which would include things like the expected flow rate or even the size of the pipes for the system being discussed....

On the other hand the OP [original post(er)] has given a textbook example of Rule #75

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11/11/2010 8:05 AM

I try to ignore idiots like this who are too lazy to register, but still want us to do their work for them, for free. But when they demand that they have the right to make up the rules too, it's too much for me.

Generally, I ignore Guests like the plague, because most of them seem to be illiterate jerks.

Break some bath for me.

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Re: RPZ sizing and location

11/10/2010 10:45 AM

Paul,

We still need the size,how to calculate it. Also the best location. There is no water tower in the building.

The mains to the 12 storied building are 2" and what will be the size of RPZ and any recommendation for its sale from NEW York city vendor.

Thanks so far

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11/11/2010 10:03 AM

Installing a backflow device does close the buildings system from the public system. This does cause some issues because pressure builds up from water heaters etc... Which in turn causes faucets to leak and even worse. Best to put some type of bladder tank or pressure reducing valve on the system.

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Re: RPZ Sizing and Location

11/10/2010 11:32 AM

I would stay full pipe size with a 2" RPZ (reduced pressure zone) backflow preventer. This comes as an assembly with valve body, inlet and outlet service valves, strainer, and test petcocks. The whole assembly costs about $650 for a standard flow version and $950 for a high flow version. It is about 2 feet long as I recall. [?]

It should be installed after the water meter and before any branches to the building water system. There is a drain on this valve, so it would be handy if the building has a floor drain nearby.

If you Google "backflow preventer" you can probably find some pictures.

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11/12/2010 2:10 PM

Thanks to everybody who responded--sarcastically or in good spirits.

We, as engineers and professionals should not forget that we should try to help our sisters and brothers in learning from all and everybody.

As a female, I felt very much offended by these remarks and invoking rule #75.

Knowledge increases by spreading it.

We need to learn how to behave in a good society and not show Male Chauvinism every where.

If there is a payment involved I am ready to pay. Charge it to my Card issued by GOODWILL.

I wish Good luck to u all.

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11/12/2010 7:26 PM

'Scuse me Ma'm, but your chip's showing.

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