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Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/22/2010 5:53 PM

I am currently working on a project where there are temperature setpoints from 0 C to 180 C. To achieve this range, both a thermoelectric cooler (TEC) and a silicone rubber heater will be used. I would like to have a temperature controller that can control both devices. A controller that seems to be a good fit is the Watlow EZ-Zone PM Integrated series. However, TECs are typically used in specialized applications whereas the Watlow controller seems to be designed for general manufacturing applications. Would there be any disadvantage with using a controller meant for a manufacturing application to control a TEC?

For instance, I could see the Watlow controller not being able to use the TEC as a heater or have reduced accuracy because of the nonlinear response of the TEC.

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/23/2010 9:34 AM

What is the final control element, i.e. how does the controller know whether to operate the heating device or the cooling device?

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11/23/2010 4:43 PM

A block of aluminum is being cooled/heated, and a RTD or Thermocouple will be placed on a surface of these block and the reading from this sensor will be compared to the setpoint in the controller to determine which device is necessary.

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/23/2010 11:12 AM

Many single loop PID controllers can handle heat-cool applications, driving a heater when the PV temperature is below setpoint and driving the cooling element when the PV temperature is above the setpoint. There's usually some form of deadband adjustment to avoid running both simultaneously.

Every single loop PID controller I've come across can be configured to run On-Off, as an alternative to proportional control. Modulating the cycle time of an binary control element is typically called time proportional or pulse width modulation, depending on the device's heritage.

I don't know what a TEC is. Are you talking about a Peltier style cooler?

Regardless, can this TEC be driven in an on-off mode by supplying a voltage/current source and then turning it off?

Or does it requires some varying voltage to drive it? If so, can your model supply that output voltage range for whatever the impedance of the TEC is?

If so, then it's likely to be workable.

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/23/2010 5:52 PM

A thermoelectric cooler (TEC) is an another name for a Peltier Cooler.

For this application, I believe I will require two separate control loops because the heater and the TEC have different responses. Furthermore, for the TEC output, I would like PI or PID control, but the output of the control loop as a duty cycle, so full power would be an 100% duty cycle, and the duty cycle would decrease as the temperature sensor read closer to the setpoint. Since the heater will most likely be powered by alternating current, something similar to go to a relay connected to 120 V AC.

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/23/2010 7:52 PM

I don't know about the Watlow, but the Honeywell UDC 2500 is a single loop PID controller

- that has duplex mode for heat/cool
- whose heat side has its PID SET 1
- whose cooling has its PID SET 2
- that has an autotune algorithm called 'Accutune' has several choices for tuning duplex heat/cool operations. Accutune is standard on the unit.
- cycle times for heat and cooling are independently configurable
- takes either T/C or 100 ohm RTD inputs (most controllers do nowadays)

Hence the heat can have different PID settings than the cooling to account for the dynamic responses of each.

You should be aware that every one of the single loopers (not just Honeywell) that I've ever run into has an autotune biased towards medium to slow thermal processes. They all require either manual tuning for fast processes, like a flow meter 10 feet upstream of the valve.

I mention that because you let slip 'general manufacturing', as though it isn't your domain, and maybe you're in a lab where the mass you're heating is 4g and your heat source is 100W and the heat can fry it in 300mS. That's fast. Faster than what commercial boxes are expecting for thermal responses.

The range of tuning constants is certainly sufficient to tune everything except robotics, but it might take a manual tweak if the heat/cooling responses are exceptionally fast.

FYI, the UDC manual is downloadable here:
http://www.lesman.com/unleashd/catalog/control/Honeywell-UDC2500/51-52-25-127.pdf

The duplex autotune descriptions are on pages 116-119 pdf.

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/23/2010 8:57 PM

Thank you very much. I will looking over the manual for the UDC2500.

While this is a relatively small application compared to what the controller may be expecting, the devices are low powered, I will keep you auto-tune warning in mind.

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/24/2010 5:48 PM

A standard thermostat for a heating cooling unit set on automatic

will do all that you ask

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/25/2010 12:55 AM

The performance requirement was clearly stated:

>where there are temperature setpoints from 0 C to 180 C

>an RTD or Thermocouple will be placed on a surface of this block

How does one get either of these typical residential/commercial automatic heat/cooling thermostats to

a) cover the stated range of 0-180°C?

b) remotely sense the surface temperature at the target temperature range, given their construction with internal temperature sensors?

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Re: Temperature Controller, TEC and Heater

11/24/2010 8:03 PM

I do not know how tight of a dead band you need, or the mass of the item that you are testing. I do a lot of work at the local university dealing with environmental chambers, incubators and other lab equipment, where temperature control is critical.

As stated above there are many PLC,s out there that will give you dual control, and may be suitable for your need.

The following may not be for you, but it is another method of tight temperature control. Most environmental chambers and incubators will run the cooling cycle solid, using pulsed re-heat to trim the temperature to the set point. This works well between -20 and +35 deg C. Above that I rely on a PLC with a PID.

If you wish to pulse the heat, than a SCR driven by the controller would be best to handle any load.

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