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Frequency Reduction Through VFDs

11/23/2010 11:32 PM

Dear All,

To what frequency level (Hertz) can we bring down the frequency in a motor to achieve very low RPM,keeping in consideration that the motor doesnt get heated up or fail. Consider the benchmark frequency to be 50 Hz.

Is their any thumb rule for the optimum frequency reduction?

Any special motors?

I have seen in many pharmaceutical plants, reactors/ centriguges where they use VFDs, reduce frequency to achieve low RPM and then also use a gear or change pulley size to further achieve low RPM.

Cant we use only a VFD reduce RPM to the lowest and hence remove the gear or the pulley mechanism.

Waiting for your valuable suggestions.

Kindly help.

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ROONEY

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Re: Frequency reduction through VFDs

11/23/2010 11:54 PM

In theory some VFDs with some motors are capable of being operated at any speed reduction, right down to zero. There is a lot to it however, not something to be undertaken by amateurs. Do you have anyone local with experience who can look at your application and provide a guaranteed solution? If so, I would highly recommend it as the questions you are asking indicate you may be in over your head.

Here are some very very over simplified ideas though:

Standard motor, standard V/Hz VFD; 4:1 Turn Down Ratio (TDR).

Standard motor, Sensorless Vector Control (SVC) VFD; 6:1 TDR

Basic Inverter Duty air cooled or TENV (not blown) motor, SVC VFD; 10:1 TDR

Good Inverter Duty air cooled or TENV (not blown) motor, SVC VFD; 40:1 TDR

Premium Inverter Duty blown motor, SVC VFD; upwards of 600:1 TDR

Premium Inverter Duty blown motor with encoder, Full Flux Vector VFD; 1000:1 TDR, down to zero speed.

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11/24/2010 10:59 PM

Keep in mind that your gear or pulley system reduces speed but INCREASES torque.

If you reduce speed using a VFD you will only get the rated motor torque.

Also, when reducing speed it is best to fit an externally powered fan as an integral fan will not cool the motor adequately.

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11/25/2010 7:12 AM

I think it is the best option as motors at lower frequency to those are wound for continuous duty cycle is not recommended and reduction by gears is the best option.

As for as VFDs are concerned these soft-starters [means from ~zero Hz] and to take the motors to their operating speed in preset time at a linearly rising slope [Hz/Sec].

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11/25/2010 5:38 PM

How can this be off topic when he asked:

"Cant we use only a VFD reduce RPM to the lowest and hence remove the gear or the pulley mechanism."

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11/24/2010 11:27 PM

The safest slowest speed of any Nema design B motor is 40% rated speed. Be low that, you need to look more closley as to the MFG's lowest speed rating. Like other posters, there is a lot to consider when using VFD's.

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11/25/2010 6:00 AM

In the constant torque mode you can normally go in the ratio of 10:1.If the operation is likely to be for a longer duration you cannot have a standard fan cooled motor operating at 5Hz as the shaft mounted fan will not be able to give sufficient air.So additional cooling by blowers is required .VFD specially designed motors with built in blowers can be used.It is important to know the duration at each speed while selecting a motor to be used with VFD.

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11/25/2010 7:56 AM

If you're looking for slow, controllable rotation, why not look at stepper motors?

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11/25/2010 8:48 AM

another option is use motorised gear units (Geared motors) with VFD if u are looking at very low speed for longer duration.

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11/25/2010 12:39 PM

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11/25/2010 12:54 PM

ordinary motor does not run well when frequency lowers below 20 Hz. It become noisy and heats up. What exact rpm do you need? What is the needed torque for that rpm? Do you want it to be light?

I think the very low rpm is easy to achieve with stepper motors that are used in motion controls. You can get one with resolution 1000 steps per full revolution. so the rpm could be 1/100000. if you have proper stepping controls. In addition the precision would be much better than that of reduction gears.

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