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Relay Confi.

12/22/2010 8:56 AM

I need a relay rated 5V but i could only get a relay rated as 12V. Can anyone give a solution to make the coil of 12V relay work under 5V supply. I hope its possible with some circuit configuration.

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#1

Re: Relay confi.

12/22/2010 9:06 AM

Just about the only way would be to used a 5V/12V DC-DC converter (which would probably cost 5 or 10 times as much as your relay).

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12/22/2010 9:12 AM

It is possible to use a DC/DC converter to step up 5V to 12V. It will be cheaper to just buy a 5V coil relay. If you have 12V available then you could just use that voltage to power the coil and use a MOSFET with a gate threshold voltage (Vgs) of less than 3.5V to turn on the coil.

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12/22/2010 9:53 AM

Whats the point of using MOSFET here if i got 12V i would have used it directly. Instead of buying a dc/dc converter why can't i design a voltage of 12VDC from 5VDC. Is it a foolish approach? Or should i make a converter here?

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12/22/2010 10:16 AM

Well I assumed that the reason you are using a relay is that you want to turn something ON and also OFF with some logic. I also assumed that your control logic operated on 5VDC. I see now that I made some foolish assumptions.

You most certainly can try to design a 5V to 12V step-up or boost converter. I've used the MC34063A without a problem. I recommend studying the application note that explains how to design a converter using this part.

I think that you'll find that using a 5V relay will be more cost effective.

If you're not intending to turn the relay OFF, why use a relay at all?

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12/22/2010 8:05 PM

Your assumptions where right but if i use MOSFET than i need 12V supply for that separatly thats the reason i said so.

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12/22/2010 6:29 PM

Googling "5vdc relay" turned up 153,000 hits, with lots of suppliers. Electronics stores are perhaps more likely than automotive sources to have them. Rather than buying or making a converter, it will almost surely cost much less to get a relay of the correct voltage.

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12/22/2010 7:48 PM

The following circuit shows a principle for turning on a 12 volt DC relay with a 5V DC supply. With switch S as drawn, the capacitor charges to near 5V. When S is switched over, the capacitor voltage is added to the supply voltage. To work, the 12v relay must actually pull-in at 9V which is often possible. The relay gets 4.5V always, which is probably above its release point! To overcome this, you could have another switch in the relay coil negative - which is only closed while the relay must be on.

There are variations, like connecting C to R permanently and making S single pole to positive.

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12/22/2010 8:02 PM

So 67model connecting a capacitor as you said solves the problem but i want switch S working itself.

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12/23/2010 5:44 AM

You could use a vibration switch and sit back and wait for a passing truck or earthquake!

If you only need to energise relay a few times, following circuit is OK since only a pulse of current is drawn from the battery.

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12/23/2010 8:59 AM

Who are you..! You are designing circuits in seconds.how talented...!

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12/22/2010 8:42 PM

Clever idea, but to not use a relay to turn on a relay to charge the capacitor will require a transistor (MOSFET) bridge for a switch. I still believe that getting a 5V relay will be much easier.

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12/22/2010 9:11 PM

So the simplest way to get 12V from a 5V supply is to use a converter. I have seen cellphone charging from a 1.5V cell in a pen type device i hope thats a converter.

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12/22/2010 9:35 PM

No. The simplest way is not to use a converter; it is to get the right voltage of relay in the first place.

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12/23/2010 9:02 AM

Here ends the topic. 12V relay coil worked for 5V also.

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12/23/2010 9:07 AM

The simplest way to get anything done is to hire people to do your work. A cheap simple method is to ask for free advice, but you have to listen and you often get what you pay for. A monetarily cheap but valuable method because you add the value is to independently study a method described by the free advice. Particularly if the free advice includes some references.

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12/23/2010 11:35 AM

Redfred whats the secret. Are you smart or only in forum? So seeking advice is very inspiring to do especially when all are wrong,who bother about how cheap it is.

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12/23/2010 5:07 PM

I've been called a "smart ass" by far more respected individuals than people who won't even give themselves a pseudonym. I've also had a Nobel laureate buy me a Guinness for helping him on his experiment. I've been wrong many times, that's how we learn. Some times people misunderstand me so they believe that I'm wrong.

One thing I am certain of though is that one of the key concerns every Engineer should consider is how much something will cost a project's budget. Remember, often the critical budget in a design is not the financial budget.

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12/24/2010 10:09 AM

"that's how we learn".

i like to hear it......you might have heard it before.....

go on....... i like you smart-ass.

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