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Air Consumption

12/22/2010 10:11 AM

Dear all,

We are using 3 Big pneumatic cylinders which combining consumes nearly 2 cubic meter/min. Here i want to save air by collecting exhaust.

How means i'll take tapping on the Exhaust line and connect to a reservoir through NRV . when air pressure in the exhaust reservior is less than exhaust pipe line, air transfer to the exaust reservoir and air wont go from reservoir to the exhaust line as we will place NRV in the line.

Pl suggest and advice whether it will work or not ?

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12/22/2010 10:18 AM

Not my field, but surely if the exhaust line goes up to any sort of useful pressure then presumably it will inhibit your tools/equipment working effectively?
If the exhaust line is near atmospheric pressure then you are gaining nothing just a reservoir at atmospheric.
Or are you hoping to capture high pressure pulses from the exhaust line?
It sounds like a lose lose situation to me, bottom line is you don't get ow't for now't.
I reserve the right to be completely wrong here, I'm willing to learn.
Come to think of it steam engines can have several cylinders each working with lower pressure exhaust from the previous stage, so it may be feasible....
Try it and see
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12/22/2010 11:53 AM

Here , i want to know one thing . we will use 100 psi supply air for 26 " Dia cylinder with 57.9"working stroke (double acting cylinder).

If Supply air pressure is 100 psi ,what would be the exhaust air pressure ?

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12/22/2010 4:32 PM

Iideally you will exhaust the air into/at atmospheric pressure.
As soon as you add any restriction to the exhaust it will slow it down and effect the performance of your machine.
As an example, I once built a pneumatically driven sytem and people complained about the noise of the exhaust, as soon as I put silencers on it, the performance dropped of as the silencers restricted the air flow of the exhaust.
You don't get ow't for now't (That's a saying from the North of England, meaning you can't gain anything without paying a price)... so in my example, silencing the exhaust slowed down my machine)

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12/22/2010 10:47 AM

What is your point in trying to capture exhaust. This is unusable air for anything but blowing dust away or unwanted bits of saw dust or materials such as that. But, there again if the valves are supplied with the proper mufflers as required to keep noise levels down, then the exhaust is defused and unusable anyway.

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12/22/2010 11:55 AM

Listen to the cat and the fixer. I understand most plant managers want more bang for their buck when it comes to compressed air, or anything else for that matter, but a closed loop system as you describe will cost you in other ways. You have to have that difference of potential after your cylinders for proper cycling or a way to evacuate that exhaust without affecting the system. Any of this will cost you more in energy and equipment.

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12/23/2010 7:23 PM

Consider this. If you want to improve efficiency in your system, pipe the exhaust of the cylinder to the intake of the compressor, with proper allowances for loss. As the cylinder exhausts, the compressor draws out the air. In a steam engine, this function is done by a condenser. Suction load on the compressor may be reduced, too.

I made a toy steam engine. I connected it to a small refrigerator compressor. When I used only pressure the steam engine ran slowly. When I connected the exhaust of the steam engine to the intake of the compressor, it sped up dramatically.

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