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Splined Shaft On an Excavator

12/24/2010 1:53 PM

I have a yanmer B30v excavator (2001). The splined shaft in the slewing motor has lost its internal splines. I have tried to buy a replacement shaft from yanmer but they will only sell the whole motor which is €2000 +.The whole excavator is worth only about €5000.

Has anyone had this problem before.

We are contemplating cutting new internal splines further into the shaft,as it has a solid end, but if we do that we would have to extend the mating shaft (which has external splines) from 135mm to 160mm . There is a lot of torque on this shaft when it is slewing the excavator. We are worried that the joints in the new extended shaft would not hold the pressure.

Would it be possible to buy a splined shaft about 160mm min length with 12 splines (O/A Diameter of splines is 34mm)

Any suggestions.

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Re: Splined shaft on an excavator

12/24/2010 2:22 PM

Any machine shops in the area?

Maybe one of these. http://www.mascus.com/yanmar/IE/SearchLocator.html

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12/24/2010 5:57 PM

Have you ever heard of a Dutch Pin? It's a poor man's keyway, drilled into the space between a shaft and the hole it fits. Then pins are driven in to replace the missing splines. Depending upon the shape of the shaft, you may have to drill the holes from the blind side.

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12/24/2010 11:49 PM

I'll go one better

drill & tap maybe 25-30mm [diameter] bolts or setscrews into the splines

you may have to take the slew motor apart & reassemble it after installing the bolts

if it's cast iron or steel use coarse threads & loktite them in

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12/25/2010 6:17 AM

I understand what you mean about the Dutch pin. Unfortunately it would not work in this case because the male splined shaft needs to rock a little in the female splined shaft. The male shaft is like a dog bone, it has crowned (humped)splines at each end.The splined sections are about 25mm long each. The top end of the dog bone has to follow the orbital motion of the hydraulic pump/motor. In total it moves 5mm, 2.5mm each way from center.

I have a CAD drawing if the splines. If I could find the same size splined shaft I could cut it to length .(approx 160mm) I could then make it like a dog bone and crown the splines with a grinding machine. I expect that the same size shaft exists in several other machines but finding them is the problem.

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12/24/2010 11:26 PM

Machine in a very beefy keyway, and get yourself some extra keys.

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12/25/2010 8:58 AM

I'm sure a local machine shop could make a replacement for You at a reasonable price.

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12/25/2010 9:15 AM

Splined shaft is supposed be more torque handling arrangement than keys and pins. So if splines do not stand neither the keys or pins.

Your primary problem/root cause is, "why in the first place so much torque is existing at the shaft end?"

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12/25/2010 9:21 AM

You might consider taking the tail shaft from an automotive transmission and its mating splined fitting from the drive shaft and grafting these to your excavator. They are about the same size and should be rated for about the same torque. It might provide an opportunity to go heavier duty.

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12/25/2010 10:16 AM

That's a good idea! Might take a little modification, but in the end, maybe better than the original. GA

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12/25/2010 10:51 AM

I have considered that but I have to match the splines at the motor end. These female splines are part of the motor. Whatever shaft I find need to have the splines the same as the hydraulic motor, at least on one end.

Is there any way of getting drawings of different splined shafts. The exact dims of mine are 32mm overall diameter of spline splines are 3mm high at an angle of 74 degrees

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12/25/2010 1:01 PM

how many splines?

what is the major & minor diameters [splines]?

length of splines, overall length

try to do a search Like this maybe

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12/25/2010 1:10 PM

garthh

There are 12 splines . Greatest Diameter is 32mm , minor Diameter is 26mm, Length of splines at each end of shaft is 25mm.

I have been looking at that link but not much luck

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12/25/2010 2:24 PM

me either :D

there is some vendor of barstock out there with what you need on the shelf, it's just a matter of finding them

I'm no expert, I'm just trying to get you to give the most complete description possible of the part...

what does the rest of the shaft look like?

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12/25/2010 2:35 PM

The original shaft is 135mm long and I need the new one to be 160mm long.

Both ends are splined. Splines are 25mm long. The rest of the shaft in the center is 25mm thick and 110mm long. The O/D of the splines is 32mm hence the dogbone shape. If I had a straight splined shaft (at 32 o/a) I could grind down the center (110mm long) to 25mm dia

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Re: Splined Shaft On an Excavator

12/26/2010 3:15 AM

Hello Miik,

I am having a little difficulty with "The splined shaft in the slewing motor has lost its internal splines." Is this the output shaft of the slew motor which engages the slew gear?

I would be concerned about why the internal splines were 'lost' and the contamination of the hydraulic system.These answers may preclude the repairing of the slew motor.

Have you checked @ www.Heavyequipmentforums.com ?

Otherwise someone @ www.practicalmachinist.com might help you locate someone near to you that could make a replacement part.

Hope this helps.

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12/26/2010 6:37 AM

It is the output shaft of the slewing motor which engages with the slew ring gear. One end of this shaft has the gear for driving the ring gear, the other end is hollow with internal splines.These splines sheared off but the shaft that engaged with them is virtually ok. All the bits were still in the hollow shaft allbeit ground up. I opened the motors hydraulic drive bit and it looks perfect, no damage.

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12/26/2010 8:08 AM

You have the attention of talented and helpful people around the world, but every time someone makes a suggestion, you come up with a reason why it won't solve your problem. Why don't you make a sketch illustrating the various parts that need to fit together to repair your machine? Provide dimensions and other relevant information as you are able. I still have a feeling that if you were able to wear out a splined shaft, you were either abusing the machine, it was under-designed, or there was a material defect. In any case, a heavier duty spline assembly sounds like a desirable modification.

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12/26/2010 5:15 PM

For a start - I know next to nothing about these small machines - but in larger ones a damaged slew assembly speaks of an accident, like dropping the bucket at high speed, or an operator who uses it for bashing things sideways.

If the splines are "worn off" then this speaks of slack in the mast pivots adding shocks.

I think the choices are fork out the euro against what the machine has earned to date (and re-bush out all the mast slack, maybe replace the slew ring and pinion), OR sell the machine for spares, OR trade it as 'in need of repair' for a new one.

I.e. I would not be making it "stronger" or "non-standard", as in general these systems are a balanced set of strength and life interrelationships well worked out. Hence they will not sell the shaft without the rest of the motor assembly.

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