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Simple 4-20mA Generator

12/29/2010 10:37 PM

I'm looking for a simple circuit to generate a 4-20mA signal based on a 0-5vdc input. I've got the circuit working as far as the output circuitry is concerned. But am having problems with the zero and span adjustment circuitry....using a dual op-amp, the front half has two trimmers to bump/boost the signal driving a small transistor, which then drives the second half of the op-amp to control the loop current output regardless of load (within limits of the TIP42). The zero affects the span setting, and vice versa.....looking for some suggestions on possibly a quad op-amp circuit which yields completely isolated zero and span adjustments....Anyone??

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Re: Simple 4-20mA Generator

12/29/2010 10:52 PM

Hi what application would like to use this equipment. Regard's

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12/29/2010 11:10 PM

Not too difficult, just make sure offset potentiometer is not part of the gain adjusting circuit and vice versa. If you have only one polarity supply voltage then this can be a little tricky because you will have to reference everything to the mid voltage instead of ground. Also when adjusting the offset, don't forget to give the circuitry time to come to a thermal equilibrium. Many people forget that the offset values of most op-amps are after five minutes of operation.

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12/30/2010 11:06 PM

I believe this can be done with 2 simple resistors as it looks like you are converting a 0-5 vdc control signal to provide a 4-20ma signal. Is this for a Honeywell damper motor? See a Honeywell damper motor specifications sheet for details.

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12/31/2010 12:49 AM

Try an XTR101 fro Texas Instruments.

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12/31/2010 8:29 AM

The Burr-Brown division of TI makes a wide range of 4-20mA tansmitter ICs, with numbers from XTR101 to XTR117. A quick look at DigiKey shows the XTR111 (link) and XTR115 and XTR116 to be likely jellybean candidates, with low prices and good inventory. These come in easy-to-use 8-pin packages, and use an external transistor to dissipate excess power at high loop voltages. The '111 runs from 24V and has a precision current mirror to create the loop current.

The XTR115 and XTR116 operate from an external loop voltage and servo all their currents through a single sense resistor, including the device supply current. They also offer a convenient regulated 5V output and a 2.50 or 4.096-volt reference output to operate your sensor circuitry (all of your circuit current also goes through the sense resistor, and must be less than 3.7mA). These parts are less accurate than the '111 but they still feature 0.05% span error and are easier to use than the other types.

XTR115 and XTR116 block diagram with typical hookup.

Hookup, showing sensor and sensor op-amp powered from 4-20mA loop.

TI's XTR110 part has 10200 in stock at DigiKey, but costs $18 each. The XTR101 has less inventory and costs $19. The '110 offers a 10V reference/power regulator, but the '101 does not. Both chips have span and offset adjustments, and may be better suited for use with high-precision sensors than the '115 and '116 types.

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12/31/2010 6:03 PM

OK, to followup on my post and specifically answer Bri4eng's question. Looking at the XTR115 design, we can see an easy way to use our own op-amp to achieve most of their result.

The 4-terminal voltage regulator needs to be a low-current, high-voltage type. The op-amp needs to be a single-supply type, such as an LT1013. You have to provide the offset for the 4mA zero offset.

IO = VIN (1 + R2/R3) / R3 is the current-loop operating formula.

Serious industrial 4-20mA applications have constraints that aren't easily met with a simple home-brew circuit. For example, if the sensor fails or becomes disconnected, perhaps the reading should be zero = 4mA, or perhaps 0mA, which in many systems is an even better fault indicator.

Or if it's a temperature sensor transmitter in a heating application, it should fail to above 20mA, to shut off the heating. Another example, the maximum current should be limited to 25mA, or similar. Sometimes one terminal of the sensor is at ground, and an isolated circuit is called for.

Transmitter voltage compliance should be from below 12V (even 8V), at full current, and up to above 60V in some systems.

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12/31/2010 6:40 PM

I ran out of time to edit my post. For an op-amp, the LT1013, as mentioned, would draw 0.7mA power supply, plus a bit for BJT base current at high outputs.

For a 5V op-amp regulator, an LM2936-5 or LM2936HV-5 (40 or 60V) would work fine, and draws only 0.03mA quiescent + 0.01mA for its PNP pass-element base-current for the '1013 op-amp current.

This totals 0.8mA quiescent, which is a bit high if you hope to have a low-current "OFF" state for fault signaling. An LT1077A single op-amp has a low offset voltage and draws 0.05mA, for 0.08mA total quiescent, which should look like a disconnected state for most receivers. Both of these op-amp types work with up to 3.8V signal levels with a 5V supply.

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12/31/2010 11:07 PM

"Both of these op-amp types work with up to 3.8V signal levels with a 5V supply."

That's relevant for the 2nd amplifier of an LT1013 dual, or for a second LT1077, but the inputs of the op-amp in the circuit always run at VEE or 0V for the op-amp.

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Re: Simple 4-20mA Generator

12/31/2010 5:31 AM

Try this:-http://circuitelec.blogspot.com/2009/04/4-20ma-current-loop-transmitter-circuit.html If you're not happy with it, Google "Current Loop Transmitter" Good luck.

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12/31/2010 10:47 AM

If you're going to be doing a lot of this and money is involved ...Suggest googling on Transmation instruments. They do some great simulators and can oftimes be found on EBAY.

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12/31/2010 4:46 PM

Since you have already built and got working most of your project, you do not want to start again with a new IC!!

  1. You can design a circuit, like yours, which will give the right offset and span, but adjusting it to the required value takes repeated moving of span and zero, in succession, to a closer approach to the ideal, as you swing input min to max.
  2. The secret to stopping the zero being altered when you change the span is to take the signal from the zero pot wiper via a third op-amp configured as a "unity gain" buffer (- input connected direct to its own output).

Because the buffer has near zero output resistance, change of current as you change value of span pot does not move zero. Also zero pot is not in feedback loop, changing its value does not affect gain.There is an extra op-amp input offset error, but this is usually acceptable. Lots of commercial gear saves an op-amp, but it takes adjustment time if fixed resistors are not adequate for tolerance needed.

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01/01/2011 10:25 AM

This is a good general-purpose solution, and hopefully Bri4eng had a compatible non-inverting amplifier configuration and was able to solve his problem using it. Here's a GA from me.

And also here's a drawing showing independent zero and span adjustments for the single-opamp circuit I posted.

Since its op-amp input node is a summing junction, always sitting at 0V, adding a zero current for 4mA, etc., has no effect on the gain. (Yes, we have a + input to the op-amp, but it's still an inverting input for the overall feedback loop, because the transistor acts as an inverter, through the power supply and bypass cap, to the load resistor R1.)

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01/03/2011 4:13 PM

Go to Analog Devices web site & u will find what u need.

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