Previous in Forum: English/American translation   Next in Forum: Science Flaws: The Final Theory by Mark McCutcheon
Close
Close
Close
13 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Anonymous Poster

How does glass break?

03/26/2007 7:07 AM

If I have a wine glass in my hand, without apparent flaw and it suddenly breaks when i touched it, how does it remember? or it had a point I do not see?

Reply
Pathfinder Tags: Glass
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Instrumentation Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Moses Lake, WA, USA, Thulcandra - The Silent Planet (C.S. Lewis)
Posts: 4216
Good Answers: 194
#1

Re: How does glass break?

03/26/2007 7:53 AM

In what sense are you using the word "remember"?

"or it had a point I do not see?"

Do you mean, "is there an invisible fracture 'starting point'"?

Do not be afraid to be lengthy in your description of what's going on. The more information - the better explanation - the more likely we are to be able to help.

There are a number of things that could be going on here, but your information is sketchy.

Mike

__________________
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." - Ayn Rand
Reply
Participant

Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1
#2
In reply to #1

Re: How does glass break?

03/26/2007 8:32 AM

Mike, yes I do mean an invisible fracture starting point.

There could be many scenarios on how a vase would break, I believe...

From the brittle nature of glass, I know that an invisible fracture could initiate a star fracture mode that spreads throughout the vase. This given that there are other invisible fractures that make a bridge and the vase collpases. This for me would require a large compressive force from top to bottom when exerted with the hands. No matter how strong a person is.

I have observed and experienced that when loading my dishwashing and holding a wine glass it suddenly will break in large pieces, one or two...not in multiple pieces. In an martini shaker...could it break in many small pieces when being held by hand with ice and liquids in it? The glass to break in many pieces would require: many internal impurities??? and a large force axially, or , an external initiating impact, or , many external impingements as if marbels would have dented the external surface, or, multiple side ways forces...by hand....

HOW COULD A VASEA BREAK IN MULTIPLE PIECES IF i WAS HOLDING IT TOP AND BOTTOM AND IT WOULD JUST BREAK?

I believe I need and external condition to initiate a multiple break...

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Israel
Posts: 2968
Good Answers: 24
#3
In reply to #2

Re: How does glass break?

03/26/2007 2:58 PM

First, google it. Who knows?, you might just get something like:

http://www.coursework.info/A2_and_A-Level/Design_and_Technology/How_Does_Glass_Break_L44048.html

Then, I remember being told once, that yes, there are minute weak molecular inconsistencies in glass, because glass is not considered a lattice type of solid, but a "Room-Temperature Super-Cooled Liquid"

"Super-Cooled Liquid" means it is being held together under some high inner-tension, an kind of inner-pressure, waiting to go outwards and explode, at the "slightest" disturbance.

So yes, there might just be cracks invisible to the naked eye there.

Then, given a sound, vibration, harmony, overtone, a rub, some oriented pressure, or a change of temperature, with or without the presence of your mentioned liquid, it will start a crack into a fissure.

The fissure will extend through the glass, supersonic, creating a shockwave, sometimes making opposite cracks meet, not unlike the trail of progression typical to lightning, of all things.

Don't take my word for it, this is just about what I was told.

Reply
Anonymous Poster
#9
In reply to #1

Re: How does glass break?

05/12/2008 5:39 AM

CR4 ADMIN: Deleted Post #9

This post was deleted because it did not adhere to the behavioral policies of the site. Please review Section 14 of the CR4 Site FAQ and the CR4 Rules of Conduct.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#4

Re: How does glass break?

03/26/2007 6:54 PM

A rapid change in temperature, like picking up a hot glass, would also cause fractures and cause the glass to break due to micrpscopic air pockets in the glass changing temperatures rapidly, wouldn't it?

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Israel
Posts: 2968
Good Answers: 24
#5
In reply to #4

Re: How does glass break?

03/26/2007 8:15 PM

...micrpscopic air pockets in the glass...

The tiny bubbles you might see in the glass, were trapped during the making of the glass, not later, when the glass was re-heated.

The glass' inner tension, will resist the trapped gas inside the bubbles, which is trying to expand because of the heat.

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 501
Good Answers: 8
#6

Re: How does glass break?

03/26/2007 8:41 PM

If you have ever been in a glass factory - you would see that as soon as the caster completes a glass object - picture tube, perfume bottle, beer bottle, what ever, it goes straight through a temper furnace to relieve the internal stress setup by the rapid cooling.

If the glass furnace has to be drained the glass globules that are formed can explode without beng disturbed just from the residual stresses.

Reply
Guru
Canada - Member - Our strength is our diversity

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 1024
Good Answers: 40
#7

Re: How does glass break?

03/27/2007 11:48 AM

Two important points about glass

1. It does not conduct heat well

2. It is not very flexible (brittle)

Any temperature change on glass must be done evenly on the whole mass, otherwise the stresses built up by the expanding or contracting glass will overcome the flexibility strength of the surrounding glass and cause it to break, shatter, or expode

__________________
Perfection is a subjective and abstract concept.
Reply
Guru
Canada - Member - Our strength is our diversity

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 1024
Good Answers: 40
#8

Re: How does glass break?

03/27/2007 11:55 AM

Also most wine glasses, have a small bump on the top ridge which is a result of the manufacturing process. This small imperfection in thickness is enought to cause small temperature differences and high stress when the glass is heated or cooled. This 'weak' spot, will usually have a semicircle of stress around the bump and is the most likely spot to break.

__________________
Perfection is a subjective and abstract concept.
Reply
Anonymous Poster
#10

Re: How does glass break?

04/19/2009 8:36 AM

CR4 ADMIN: Deleted Post #9

This post was deleted because it did not adhere to the behavioral policies of the site. Please review Section 14 of the CR4 Site FAQ and the CR4 Rules of Conduct.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#11

Re: How does glass break?

07/02/2010 8:44 AM

I have had different occurances when glass shatters in my hand. Temperature in these cases was not an issue,(they had been in my sink at room temperature.) The first glass that shattered was a Pyrex dish. Is this normal?

Reply
Anonymous Poster
#12

Re: How does glass break?

11/03/2010 10:03 AM

CR4 ADMIN: Deleted Post #9

This post was deleted because it did not adhere to the behavioral policies of the site. Please review Section 14 of the CR4 Site FAQ and the CR4 Rules of Conduct.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Anonymous Poster
#13

Re: How does glass break?

11/03/2010 8:14 PM

CR4 ADMIN: Deleted Post #9

This post was deleted because it did not adhere to the behavioral policies of the site. Please review Section 14 of the CR4 Site FAQ and the CR4 Rules of Conduct.

Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Reply to Forum Thread 13 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (6); FMSALDARRIAGA (1); jmart23 (1); Mikerho (1); techno (2); Yuval (2)

Previous in Forum: English/American translation   Next in Forum: Science Flaws: The Final Theory by Mark McCutcheon

Advertisement