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Information about the MEG

01/05/2011 11:22 PM

Tom Braden and associates have a 2002 patent for a motionless electromagnetic generator. I understand production is projected for next year. Will this generator be available for home use? Carolyn Stephens

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01/06/2011 12:45 AM

It seems to be Tom Bearden ? Anyway, here is a link to the patent. http://www.cheniere.org/references/MEG_Patent.pdf

Hard to say whether it will work, the legalese beats me....i always try to keep an open mind. In my opinion, a patent should not be granted to an unviable invention - like perpetual motion machines etc. So, the patent office must have checked that it works ? Even my avatar looks like it will work at first sight....

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01/06/2011 1:23 AM

Well, the thing looks an awful lot like a simple Switch Mode Power Supply with permanent magnets, with the exception of the fact that it reportedly needs no energy input in order to achieve an energy output. It does this by virtue of something he calls the "permanent magnet flux transfer principle". All references I could find on this "principle" seem to lead back to one source, Tom Bearden!

In other words he has invented a device based on a principle of magnetics, that he also invented! Then this device somehow manages to violate of the first law of thermodynamics, the one that says essentially "you cannot get more energy out of something than you put into it."

I will not be investing... but thanks for the evening's entertainment Carolyn!

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01/06/2011 1:46 PM

I was under the mistaken(?) impression that the official policy of the US patent office was NOT to grant patents for obvious over-unity and perpetual-motion-machine claims.

This appears to be a real patent so the patent office seems to be in in dire need of some better educated reviewers. Thankfully there is some good news. The patent office may be in the process of reviewing, testing, and hopefully revoking this laughable patent error. While there "may" be some interesting magnetic switching ideas present, ANY claim to generate more energy than was supplied from an external source shows this design to be mostly excrement. Stay far away from this stinker. FYI...

http://www.rexresearch.com/meg/meg-debunked.pdf

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01/06/2011 2:51 PM

Nice find. It does appear, however, that this device might be an efficient form of transformer, it appears from the data to not have any losses. But measurement error could easily account for that, the device tested was very small and any losses might not have been discernible given a reasonable margin of measurement error.

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01/06/2011 7:52 PM

Start rant...

If there are any valid "transformer design" improvements in this patent, they will be very hard to find buried in so much verbal garbage. Considering the many thousands of HONEST HARD-WORKING scientists, physicists, engineers, and technically savvy people that have been and are still working to make such devices closer to 100% efficient, I sincerely doubt these con artists found ANYTHING new at all. I don't know whether they are deliberately deceptive or just stupidly delusional. Either way, their unsound concepts, sloppy measurements, and false claims should scrutinized and debunked with full vigor.

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