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400 HZ Aerospace Appllications

01/12/2011 1:41 AM

why such high frequency is used for aerospace applications?

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Re: 400 HZ Aerospace Appllications

01/12/2011 1:51 AM

samarpit; have you ever seen a 400 HZ motor, or transformer? its for weight saving, there is less iron, copper etc. perry

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Re: 400 HZ Aerospace Appllications

01/12/2011 1:58 AM

no ..hvnt been across such a motor or transformer.little elaboration on this point woulsd be of great help .

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01/12/2011 10:06 AM

Fundamental physics - the voltage in an output coil on a generator is proportional to the rate of change of flux. For a given flux from a generator field at 400 Hz, compared to 50Hz, one gets 400/50 = 8 times the voltage - or 1/8 the turns are needed for the same voltage. Practically, if you apply a given direct current voltage to a coil of wire on a magnetic core, it can only store a limited energy before the ampere-turns reach a saturation limit at which magnetic flux stops rising, there is no back-emf and no transformer action. When the voltage is reversed before saturation, the core can be magnetized in the opposite direction and so on again in a continuous cycle. The smaller and lighter the core (for a given number of turns on the winding), the shorter the time it takes to reach saturation current. This truth applies just the same for a sinusoidal AC voltage. The practical effect is that for low frequencies, a relatively large and heavy core is needed to avoid saturation, whether it be in a transformer, inductor or a motor.

  1. But there are disadvantages to higher frequencies.
  2. The resistance of cables is increased at higher frequencies. Bigger cross section is needed for same current. Copper and aluminium are expensive.
  3. Inductance, even of cables, becomes more significant, causing 8 times voltage drop at 400 vs 50Hz.
  4. Transformer/motor magnetic core losses increase with square of frequency - 64 times at 400 vs 50.
  5. Special low-loss magnetic materials have to be used - they are expensive compared to the steel used in 50Hz machines.
  6. The distance power can be transferred without uneconomic loss is much reduced
  7. The simplest motor (2 pole induction) at 50Hz, runs at the useful speed of 3000 rev/min , !500 rev/min needs 4 poles ( more complex) etc.
  8. The same motor type at 400 Hz runs at 24000 rev/min - 3000 rev/min needs 16 poles.

On aircraft, the size and weight benefits overrule the debits and distances are small. The advantages of high frequency are very obvious in compact fluorescent lamps and mains power supplies, in which rectification of primary power to direct current, followed by high frequency (10 kHz and up) electronic switching, gives great reduction of size and weight of transformers and inductors compared to 50Hz.

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Re: 400 HZ Aerospace Appllications

01/12/2011 3:36 PM

What he/she said. its more efficient and 400hz isnt high frequency 14 khz is though

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01/13/2011 6:28 AM

thanks for such detailed elaboration .. :)

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01/12/2011 8:33 PM

Electromagnetic devices that run at 400Hz can be up to 400/60 = 6.7 times smaller than their 60Hz equivalents (8x smaller than 50Hz devices as stated above). This significant size/weight savings was highly desirable for aircraft use. Losses in transformer steel and power diodes are larger at 400Hz, but they can be made acceptable with some careful design.

Pending confirmation (historical references), I think on-board 400Hz systems were implemented ~70 years ago. Considering the electronics of that time, 400Hz power systems would have been cutting edge technology. Modern electronics (fast-recovery rectifiers, MOSFET's, BLDC motors, new magnetic core formulations) now allow much smaller designs at even higher frequencies (up into the MHz).

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01/17/2011 8:57 AM

Modern electronics (fast-recovery rectifiers, MOSFET's, BLDC motors, new magnetic core formulations) now allow much smaller designs at even higher frequencies (up into the MHz).

So, if the frequency is 6 MHz, 6,000,000/60 = 100,000. That would make the motor 100,000 smaller that its counterpart at 60 Hz....

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01/17/2011 2:37 PM

The size is not really inversely proportional to frequency. There are real world limitations on component/conductor size and heat dissipation, but operating frequencies and power densities are still (gradually) increasing.

If you can access this paper, it provides some interesting technical information on achieved power density values.

Not as tiny as 100000:1, but have you seen the "hobby" BLDC motors that are the size of a D-cell battery and are rated 1.6 Horse-Power (1200 W continuous)? IMO that's impressive power density for just a hobby motor.

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Re: 400 HZ Aerospace Appllications

01/12/2011 11:11 PM

motor used in AeroSpace application is BLDC motor..

requirement of motor is high speed & low torque, &&& Speed=(120*Frequency)/Pole no......

so higher the frequency & higher the Speed...

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