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Roark Formula - Need Explanation on Usage

01/27/2011 1:10 PM

Dear All,
Help me on this or find and expert to assist me in design rectangular tank?

1. I have design Rectangular Tank with stiffener using Roark formula. The problem is, I realised that there is another calc for Rectangular Tank in ASME and Design of Welded Strcuture by W. Blodgett. I found that also ref. calc by Kanti K.Mahajan "Design of Process Equipment". Which one is more reliable especially in selecting stiffener on the side of the tank?. The design by Blodgett assumed beam theory in calculating plate thickness, so we can find plate "Z" value and max. moment to find the allowable bending stress , whereas Roark Formula assume a homogeneous plate.

I list down below references of my calc which will assist in finding the answer to my question?


2. The ratio a/b as per Roark Formula is a-longest length of the wall and b-the less one. I READ also this Theory of Stress and Strain by Timoshenko that say differently. I used a as the longest one for my calc as per Roark. But if a/b is less than one, the value beta, alpha is out of range from Table 11.4 Case 1a . How I want to estimate the beta and alpha values? ... Can I interpolate using other values...? I got confused also that the a/b ratio is different between Roark Table and Table in Eugene,R Meysey book.... . will anyone explain that to me why?.

I will fwd later my calc if anyone can help me the solution to my query here.

DETAILED OF MY REF CALCULATION

for the Plate under investigation....
As per Table 11.4 Case No.1a Chapter 10 of Roark's
"Rectangular plate, all edges simply supported, with uniform loads over entire plate."

for the Stiffener under investigation...
Bending Moment
As per Table 8.1 Case 2e of Roark's (Uniform load on entire span)-FOR HORIZONTAL STIFFENER
As per Table 8.1 Case 2d of Roark's (Uniformly increasing load)-FOR VERTICAL STIFFENER


Thanks for helping me,

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Re: Roark Formula - Need Explanation on Usage

01/27/2011 2:46 PM

Najeeb,

Thank goodness that you bought all of these books and rewarded the hard work of the US authors..!!!

Certainly, you couldn't have just downloaded these texts from the .pdf mills of the internet.....ummmm....could you....??

We, who have lost our jobs in the USA due to stolen texts and people who pose as engineers, would be happy to help you with your Structural Mechanics questions.

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01/27/2011 11:41 PM

hey i din know we cud download these pdfs online.. thanks!!!

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01/28/2011 8:49 AM

The closed form solutions you are using all make simplifying assumptions in order to make the math manageable. This is evident in the use of a/b ratio charts, etc. The only way I know of to solve the problem accurately is to do a full blown FEA analysis of the structure. An analysis of this type will likely be required to resolve the different answers you have obtained. Good luck with your project.

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01/28/2011 8:56 AM

Typically, the difference in ASME or API codes and books like Roark's is safety factors.

I like Roark's but that the bare equation with little or no safety factors. API 650 is the tank design code and it's based on safety that should cover most or all loads you'll run in to.

I'd use the API or ASME code calculations for the design. Typically, we use those because they ahve been proven reliable and can be defended in court if something happens to your tank.

I'm no expert on the subject of tanks though (especially not rectangular) so you'll need to read the appicable parts of that code and any references for your design. If you're designing a full tank it's really better to send this to a company that specializes in tank design.

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02/01/2011 7:52 PM

If when in doubt, ask the Instructor/Professor, what design standard they want you to use. They can best guide you, with your home work.

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