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Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 8:47 AM

We recently completed a project where the client wanted all light fixtures on ground Fault Breakers. The fixtures are all fluorescents (Compact and T8) with electronic ballasts. However, the ground fault breakers continually nuisance trip. Can anybody tell me if this could be because of hte fluorescetn ballasts? I have not been able to find any other info on the internet or CR4 that might shed any light on this issue

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 10:21 AM

This is due to third harmonics prevalent in the electronic ballasts. You have to use hi-sensitivity type RCCBs for this application.

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 10:25 AM

The lamps operate at high voltage and can generate leakage currents that cab trip a GFI if there are a lot on a circuit. You may need to have fewer lamps on each circuit, well below the breaker load capacity.

I had a very long circuit in a residence that tripped the GFI on rainy days and had to separate it into two circuits to eliminate the leakage current false trips. Woody

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 1:23 PM

Good to know!

I recently bought a house that has a nice brick mailbox with a little lampost on top. It's a loooong electrical run from the house to the mailbox and we've noticed that we can't keep the GFI outlets on that run from tripping all the time.

Also now that I think about it, the electrician who "fixed" the thing before we moved in put a compact fluorescent lamp in it. So maybe that's half the problem too. :)

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 3:20 PM

If the circuit does not require a GFI by code then don't put one on it. Just because a customer wants it does not mean its correct and should be installed.

GFI's have their place and intended applications which when used outside of those intended applications is just asking for continual problems. To prevent the improper use of electrical devices/components is one of the primary reasons why wiring codes where created in the first place.

If a GFI must be used on a long run it goes at the fist outlet point of the feed line not at the breaker panel. If the end point of a circuit is a long run off of a existing circuit then it should be put on its own dedicated feed and the GFI for the far away load still goes at the first outlet at the far end of the long run of feed line.

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 7:33 PM

Is there a chance your project is 50Hz? Many problems with ballasts, even electronics, with the different power. I concur with tcmtech (and the others) and gave a GA for getting them off the GFI's if you can.

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/07/2011 11:06 PM

Two things can cause this. You may have grounding feedback thru your nuetral somwhere. Florecent lighting uses less power than incandecent, but with all those wires to deal with, it's easy to get the hot and neutral mixed up at the ballast, cause the ballast to overheat, and that will make the GFI thermistor over heat, tripping the breaker. Either that, or you have a thermal intermittant fault in a ballast(overheating eventually causes a grounding or "closing loop"short) Turn it off, it cools off, turn it back on, works for awhile, then trips? Thermal intermittant fault in a ballast. trips immediatly? Crossed hot and nuetral going IN to the ballast.

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02/08/2011 1:03 AM

Ground fault breakers nuisance tripping is well known and recognised when lighting circuits are attached to these devices. In this country the Wiring code excludes the need for these circuits to be attached to earth leakage breaker. The problem of tripping emanates from a combination of three basic causes: 1 Because of the high sensitivity (30mA here) Spurious tripping can often occur due to high inrush currents particularly of an inductive or capacitive nature. 2 Fluorescent and High intensity discharge (HID) light fittings contain both Inductors and capacitors in their circuitry, which if sufficient circuits are connected to earth fault breaker will cause it to trip. 3 Lighting circuits all have a minimal leakage to earth of about 2-4 mA. When a number of units are connected to one circuit this current is additive. the standing earth leakage current obviously partially unbalances the earth leakage relay and makes it mote susceptible to tripping.

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02/08/2011 3:52 AM

The original request is a nonsense. To be impolite, just because somebody opens a mouth, do not assume any sense comes out. Outdoors light on GFI and full voltage? Maybe, if it is full power and under the eaves, protected. Exposed to weather: 24 Volts max.. Customer wants something way out of standards - just because - walk away, or make him pay and pay. At least you won't feel any pain. Making a fool pay for his wilfullness is satisfaction in itself. This is not a technical answer, but a fit one.

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02/08/2011 7:52 AM

I am somewhat amazed at the ease with which some people jump to conclusions and condemn others without knowing the specifics. I thought this was a technical forum? That is why I asked a technical question.

Please refrain from commenting if you have no sensible contributions to make.

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Re: Fluorescent Ballasts and GFI Breakers

02/08/2011 8:47 AM

The basic concept is flawed. GFCI devices are designed for safety in the event of accidental contact with live parts when connecting, using or disconnecting equipment. (Plugging something into an outlet) Lighting circuits are a closed system with dead-front switches so no such accidental contact is possible. Thus a GFCI is not necessary or desired. If the customer insists then he/she/it is just going to have to live with it. If they want the bird to fly under water, they'll be stuck with a penguin.

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02/08/2011 3:43 PM

If the customer insists then he/she/it is just going to have to live with it. If they want the bird to fly under water, they'll be stuck with a penguin.

I like that, it made me chuckle.

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