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Circuit Breaker Connector

02/09/2011 3:56 PM

I have 2 110 circuit breakers connected with a small piece of copper wire so they both turn off and on together. I am told this is illegal and the copper wire must be replaced with plastic. What kind of plastic connector is to be used?

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/09/2011 4:06 PM

Depends where you are and what the code says.

Back on the farm, it wouldn't matter.

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/09/2011 4:12 PM

What make and model breakers?

The breaker manufacturer will usually make a small plastic part to link 2 single-pole breakers so they can be used as 1 double-pole breaker. The manufacturer should specify if this is an approved use of their breakers. Your electric codes will also dictate if this linking of 2 breakers is allowed.

Another choice is to purchase and install a dedicated/approved double-pole breaker. Save the 2 single-pole breakers for any other vacant positions in your panel that might be used for new wiring. If you are not the home-owner and/or are not comfortable changing breakers, find a good licensed electrician to do it for you.

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/09/2011 4:14 PM

Most manufactures make a clip on bridging handle. Shouldn't cost more than £2-00

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/09/2011 5:44 PM

"Illegal"? Why? Who is going to prosecute?

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/09/2011 5:58 PM

So one circuit overload pulls both breakers? What is the point of that? Why not leave the other circuit running?

There's something odd going on with the downstream wiring, and it isn't in British Standard 7671, if that's what the word "illegal" is supposed to mean.

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/09/2011 6:47 PM

Its a north American standard where 240 volt AC is supplied by two 120 volt lines 180 degrees out of phase thus making two breakers necessary on any residential 240 volt circuit.

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Re: Circuit Breakers

02/10/2011 5:41 AM

The forum doesn't know that the original poster is on the North Island of the Americas, because it hasn't been stated.

The installation still falls outside British Standard 7671.

OK, so why are the two breakers linked together at all in a two-phase system? Surely the first one to release would disconnect the overload current, so why link them together? One runs the risk of the opening mechanism on one having to operate the opening mechanism on the other irrespective the second one not tripping, which might be the case if the breakers are not identical. If the fault is to earth, then both breakers will operate though not necessarily at exactly the same time.

If isolation is required, then is the time to turn off both breakers.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Connector

02/09/2011 8:46 PM

The clips that the CB mfrs supply are specifically designed to turn off BOTH breakers if one trips. If you use the "bailing wire / duct tape" handyman approach, your rigidity specs may not perform the same function and leave one breaker energized.

So let's take a scenario of a common 240V circuit in a US residence, an electric stove. One of the elements gets old and the connector begins to melt into the metal frame of the stove top. One side of that circuit becomes directly connected as a grounded fault and the short circuit current causes the L1 side breaker to trip. But your little copper wire gizmo does NOT turn off the L2 side because it's too sloppy. The ground fault then has the rest of the heating element in series with the ground connection, so the current is too low to cause an instantaneous trip. It continues pumping current into the ground fault until the breaker trips on thermal current, but by then the kitchen is on fire.

So are the "Electrical Police" going to come out and arrest you? No. But let's say that fire happens and you want to replace your kitchen (assuming the fire did not kill your kids and lose all interest in life). You call your insurance agent, he sends over an adjuster. The adjuster looks at the fire dept report on the cause of the fire, they list this little copper wire set-up and guess what? Your insurance company says "So Sorry, you had an unauthorized use of equipment. You are on your own." So for the cost of a $2.00 little clip, you have sacrificed 10s of thousands of dollars.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Connector

02/09/2011 11:29 PM

So glad that you gave such a good and truthfull answer.

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02/09/2011 11:36 PM

This is so funny. I ran across this today with a 240V 2 Pole 5HP Grinder pump.

One of the past "electricians" in this plant did just that with 14 Gage solid wire. Well it tripped off the #7 Breaker, but because it was only 14 Gage wire, #5 Breaker remained on burning out this pump. Now, that said. I do, do this for 2 pole and 3 pole by using 10 Gage solid wire or a roll pin to lock them together. I have never had an issue as the 10 Gage is a perfect fit if I don't have the correct length roll pin. I do also change these out if using the 10 Gage wire to the proper breaker after I order them and only do this in a pinch when making changes to our services. At my location, change is constant... Unfortunately, this pump pumps all the sewage out of the building. They can not replace the pump till tomorrow and the Sh!t is backing up!

Plumber found a plastic plate that jammed the impeller. Had the Circuit breaker tripped both 5 & 7, we would not have had to replace the pump and had the expensive service call, replacement pump expense or backed up Sh!t.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Connector

02/09/2011 11:25 PM

Any common line conductors need a common trip breaker. The little plastic or metal tye bars do not always work. If you have a Zensco or FPE panel you may want an electrician to install a new breaker, as I have had them blow up on me several times in the 35 years as an electrician. Buy a new breaker and install it. The cost cannot out weigh your life and your biggest investment (your family and property). Hopefully you are not the landload. Good advice on the insurance company too. If you were my nieghbor I would do it for you free. Good Luck my friend.

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Re: Circuit Breaker Connector

02/10/2011 7:31 AM

If you have a FPE panel, you may want an electrician install a new PANEL. Those things are notoriously unreliable. There is a reason they don't make 'em anymore.

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