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Compliance Certificate

02/11/2011 3:22 AM

I am purchasing a flow switch from Kobold, germany. They are providing a compliance certificate at some cost. The compliance certificate is different from a calibration certificate. Should I take the compliance certificate? How will it help?

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Re: Compliance certificate

02/11/2011 4:29 AM

How will it help?
Pieces of paper seldom effect the performance of machines unless they are used as shims.
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02/11/2011 8:29 AM

Compliance to what? Since you don't seem to know what it is, I'd say you don't need it.

My guess would be that some MIL or other instrumentation spec may be invoked by some users of the switch, or their customers.

here's a tidbit:

The definition of instrument performance for contract and metrological purposes Knight, R.B.D.
Page(s): 7/1 - 7/3

Abstract | Full Text: PDF (116KB)

An instrument specification is intended to define its performance for any purpose where this is important. When an instrument is being chosen and purchased, the specification is one of the most significant features which decides to which company the contract will be awarded. When the instrument is put into service, the user will depend on the specification to satisfy himself that his measurements are of the required parameter and quality.

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02/11/2011 9:33 AM

There are certificates of conformance that say, in effect, the device/instrument will perform according the manufacturer's specifications. These are standardized forms, and have no relationship to the individual instrument purchased.

There are calibration certificates, which identify a particular model and serial numbered device and state the values that particular device produced when calibrated to a standard.

The accepatbility of a cal cert is up to the owner/user. I always send a sample to my customers, and ask if it's acceptable. Many times it isn't, the reason they cite is that its origin is outside the USA. The option, if a cal cert is needed and manufacturer's is foreign, is to have a domestic cal lab do it.
That can get complicated for flow meters, because there are fewer cal labs that have flow stands than those that can do purely electronic calibrations.

I'm not sure what a 'compliance' certificate is. Why not ask for a sample, so you can read it, and see if it's of any value to you. The distributor will piss and moan about the effort of getting a sample, so will the manufacturer, but why shouldn't they show you what you're buying?

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02/11/2011 10:36 AM

I am sometimes required to provide certificates of compliance for materials used in the construction of a building. For me, these are always government projects.

A certificate of compliance is issued from the manufacturer of an item, and certifies that the item provided in in compliance with the project specifications. A certificate is issued for EACH item; if an item is composed of subassemblies from an upstream vendor, certificates of compliance from each of these subassembly manufacturers are required to be submitted as well. I have provided more than 100 certificates of compliance on a project that had about 30 doors.

This can be a time consuming process, and MUST start before you purchase ANY raw materials or a single item for the project. Documentation of the chain of procurement, custody, and delivery are absolutely necessary.

As Del the Cat tells you, a series of CC's does nothing but satisfy contract requirements. If they are required by contract and you have not followed the proper steps, you may have to replace the items at your expense. The purchaser may elect to allow them to remain in place and withhold your payment (that is to say, the end user can keep the stuff you provided, and you do not get paid for any of it). Either way, it sucks! If certificates of compliance are required, do them correctly!

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02/11/2011 10:52 AM

And if you think it's bad when building stuff that stays on the ground, imagine the nightmare of trying to spec and procure materials to build a spacecraft.

I once had to buy 5 pounds of silicone rubber gumstock, and pay for certs to mold 10 bumpers that were 1/8" diameter x 1/8" long.

Your tax dollars at work.

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02/11/2011 11:06 AM

Most of the certs required on doors only demonstrate how anal retentive some people can be. I would expect such documentation on a space vehicle. I can only imagine the ridiculous paper trail generated, but I can see a reasonable purpose for documentation.

The Archer smiley really doesn't mean anything... just placing something that is in motion and colorful for Del the Cat to play with.

[edit] Oh, NO! I see KrisDel™ Corp has beaten LynDoor™ Industries to the punch!

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02/11/2011 11:05 AM

The KrisDelTM Certifimicates with extra glitter are very popular with government departments around the world, available in a selection of colours, and specially gnawed crimped edges.
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