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Custom Made Transformer from AC Mains Rated Inductor

02/24/2011 12:37 AM

Hi All,


The main problem is I cannot find a line transformer that satisfies following requirement:

1) One set of primary windings rated at 250VAC and 2 sets of secondary windings rated at 11V/0.25A,0.05A each.
2) The component footprint small enough to fit within the existing PCB constraint not bigger than 30mm (L) x 25mm (W) x 13mm (H)

I have zeroed on another possibility which to use flyback transformer for the power supply since the smaller component footprints are readily available, which leaves me with the problem of selecting suitable transformer with 1 set of primary winding rated at AC mains voltage and 1 set of secondary winding rated at 11V, 0.05 to 0.25A for signal coupling to power line. But even 1 such component (power line signal coupler by BEL, P/N: 0557-7700-25) form factor is still too large.

Which leaves me with no choice but to explore possibility of customizing/hand made my own transformer to have a transformer form factor that's small enough and yet meets my electrical spec for the secondary winding above. So my proposal is to select an miniature (preferably magetically shielded) toroidal coil with calculated inductance which is rated for AC mains, dismantled the metal shield, manually wound a wire gauge (made for transformer coil wiring) of suitable diameter around/over exsiting primary coil windings, attached both ends of manually wounded secondary coil to suitable pins (preferably extra unused pins provided with the original component or made my own terminals). And finally mount the custom made transformer for power line signal coupling onto my PCB.

I have no knowledge of what type of wire gauge diameter to select for the transformer coil and how many turns to made for the secondary winding to meet my electrical specs for transmit/receive signal. And also what type of inductor coil to select for the coupling trasnformer (ferrite core vs. iron core or toroidal core etc?).

Anyone with the know-how please advise.

Or does anyone has any contacts from suppliers or factories who does customise design to standard inductor component (similar to above), please let me know.


Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks and regards

CW

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Re: Custom made transformer from AC mains rated inductor

02/24/2011 1:00 AM

And just what, exactly, is an "AC mains rated inductor"?

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Re: Custom Made Transformer from AC Mains Rated Inductor

02/24/2011 2:09 PM

Perhaps you need to brush up on your web search skills and electrical fundamentals it took me about a minute to find this. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll

At 250 VAC into a 230 VAC the 10 volt output will be about 11 volts.

Or you can go one size over and get one of these, http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll

The odds are what ever you are powering at 11 volts is probably not all that fussy about slight over or undervoltage so being slightly over or under will not cause problems.

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Re: Custom Made Transformer from AC Mains Rated Inductor

02/25/2011 9:03 AM

I couldn't look at tcmtech's links because they were incomplete, but it sounds like he found suitable parts on DigiKey. I often make my own ferrite-core switching transformers, because the bobbins and cores are easy to use, and the numbers of turns is generally modest, 200 to 300 max. But that's not the case for 50 and 60Hz AC power-line transformers. These are much harder to make by hand, because the primary inductance needs to be quite high. Instead, if you need a custom type, it's usually practical to get a local transformer house to design and make them. I've done that several times with good results. The costs were reasonable, and I only needed to buy 10 or 20 pieces to make it practical.

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Re: Custom Made Transformer from AC Mains Rated Inductor

02/25/2011 11:12 AM

We use this company for custom transformers. The do a great job and reasonable as far as custom goes. http://www.fuse-ei.com/home.html

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02/28/2011 2:27 AM

Great help TheProblemSolver. Thanks!

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