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Looking For Practical Sterling Engine Design Resource

03/01/2011 1:34 AM

I've done quite a bit of research and purchased Martini's book "Sterling Engine Design Manual". I find most of the research not particularly practical and the book is too theoretical. I don't want to analyze an engine to death, I just want to build a pretty good one in about the 1-3 hp range. Anyone have a good resource?

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Re: Looking for practical Sterling Engine design resource

03/01/2011 2:17 AM

If you spell it correctly--Stirling--you might get better results.

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03/01/2011 8:50 AM

I have a similar desire, but probably haven't done as much research. Still (iirc) the last two links here (from my askRhk database) are among the most useful I've found so far.

A Stirling engine sounds nice, but getting one with any power seems problematic.

google [stirling engine design]

* [[http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.steamshift.com/wp-content/uploads/moved/stirling_engine.gif&imgrefurl=http://blog.steamshift.com/2005/05&h=290&w=290&sz=5&tbnid=O9Nph48QjuBSpM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstirling%2Bengine%2Bdesign&zoom=1&q=stirling+engine+design&usg=___QzTGCOpMq6Fb_ZGtkXhP_vaJyw=&sa=X&ei=OPpqTcCQJMKblgflirmAAg&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAg][picture]]--this looks like it could almost be made with something like pistons for a lawn mower engine


* [[http://www.spaceandmotion.com/inventions/convert-petrol-motor-stirling-engine2.htm][Stirling Engine]]--this looks even more robust, but I wonder if his efficiency calculations are wrong--iiuc, they should be based on absolute temperatures--he's not using absolute temperatures--just approximating absolute temperatures assuming that absolute 0 is -273 degrees or so, then the efficiency at 350 looks more like 20% (623 / 312)?? (I'm not sure what I'm doing here, just vaguely remembering a formula I saw for Carnot efficiency or something like that...I'm not sure how I'm going from 2 to 20*%*
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Introduction

The Haselhurst-Stirling engine design is a high pressure (80 atmospheres) high temperature (up to 600 degrees celsius) design. It has a theoretical efficiency of 60% at 600 C and 35% at 350 C. (Solar cells have a maximum efficiency of about 20%, diesel engines about 35%).

To begin I will simply use a fire to heat the hot side (wood has about 4kW/hrs of energy per kg, and a fire easily reaches temperatures of 600 degrees celsius).
The cold side will be cooled to around 100 degrees celsius by running water (I have a lot of ponds and creeks on my property!). If it works then in the long term I would use solar energy to heat it.

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Cost

The total cost should be about $2,000 Australian including steel and welding.
For a comparison, the *WhisperGen Stirling engine costs $20,000 dollars and is 1kW*.

Below are some further details (from my provisional patent application).
The Haselhurst-Stirling Engine

Stirling Engines are theoretically the most efficient heat engines available, where the efficiency is 1 - Tmin/Tmax (in degrees kelvin). Thus the engines are more efficient the greater the temperature difference from the hot side to the cold side.
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* [[http://www.cd3wd.com/cd3wd_40/vita/stirling/en/stirling.htm][UNDERSTANDING STIRLING ENGINES]]--a good article, but it was predicting commercial applications back in 1985 (maybe for 3rd world countries)--did that ever happen?
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Solar Power

It is important to recognize that the Stirling engine is a
high-temperature machine. It cannot run well on the low
temperatures available from simple flat plate solar collectors.
It must use a concentrating, sun-tracking solar collector.
This device adds considerably to the cost and maintenance
requirements of the system. Also, such a device does
not make use of the diffuse component of solar energy, only
the direct component. So hazy sun is not good enough. Bright,
clear skies are needed before the concentrating collector
will develop the high temperature necessary to operate the
Stirling engine. For all these reasons, Stirling systems
using concentrating, sun-tracking solar collectors will be
much more expensive and will require more care in their
operation than those using fuel as their heat source.
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* [[http://www.stirlingengine.com/faq][the Stirling engine community : FAQs : One FAQ]]

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Re: Looking For Practical Sterling Engine Design Resource

03/02/2011 4:46 AM

Unfortunately I think there is an oxymoron in your title.

There is no such thing as a "practical Stirling engine" (for normal applications).

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03/03/2011 11:55 AM

Try this link for dozens of books on how to build stirling engines. Many in your range or just bigger.

http://www.amazon.com/Stirling-Engine-Books/lm/R1VG1CRB4UF3G

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03/08/2011 3:00 PM

There are a number of Stirling engine designs about, you might try typing "Stirling engine" in google. If you go to U-Tube, too, you will find lots of videos about Stirling engines. And, believe it or not, NASA has one really neat one called a Free Piston Stirling Generator. This one uses a small atomic pile to provide the heat to drive it. Of course it is designed for use in space. Also, the atomic pile is not required to make it work, either, a simple methane or syngas flame would work, too.

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Re: Looking For Practical Sterling Engine Design Resource

06/22/2011 4:28 AM

It should be Stirling engine.

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09/16/2011 10:48 AM

I don't have Stirling engines, but if you want a low temperature steam driven prime-mover, I can supply you a nano or Micro Steam Turbine Generator ranging from 1 KW to 100 KWeH. You should supply saturated steam(180C) at 10 bar ensuring 25 Kg pre KWH.

The Units are designed as standard CHP units, discharging steam at 120C which can either be used directly to heat the space or heat water in a exchanger.

If this suits your requirement, contact me at

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09/16/2011 11:46 AM

Mizun, In addition to a cost effective Free Piston Stirling Generator in the 2kW to 10kW range, I am also looking for small piston (old steam locomotive) type steam engine generator of the same range. If you are able to provide this, then, please send me the complete specifications, including the mounting dimensions and loads and wholesale costs and/or manufacture's pricing. In order for you to understand the application(s) planned for such a unit, please see http://chtank.org. Also, anyone else who can supply either the Free Piston Stirling Generator or the free piston steam generator, please go through the same website to provide the same information. Since both the Stirling engine and the steam engine are both old designs and their patent have long since run out, you should have no problem with the engine itself but the engine/generator is a new concept and several, including NASA, have established and patented designs, so be very careful with your designs.

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