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Difference Between Over Current and Overload Relays

03/02/2011 11:45 AM

Dear Sir What is the difference between over current & over load relays.also what are the over load & over current setting of 3 phase 575 kw induction motors @ 6.6 kv with full load current of 64 amps

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Re: Difference Between Over Current and Overload Relays

03/02/2011 7:43 PM

An overload is a higher-than normal current flowing in the normal, intended path. For example, due to a mechanical overload on a motor.

A Short-circuit current is a higher-than-normal current flowing through an un-intended path.

Both are called overcurrents.

i would set the relay at name plate FLA of the motor, even if actual load current is lower.

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03/02/2011 9:58 PM

thanks a million, Is ovl relay = Fla Then over current setting is 110 % of full load current . Is this correct .

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03/02/2011 10:21 PM

In IEC countries, the trip threshold of an overload relay is between 105 and 120% of the set current which should be the FLA. So, setting a relay at the nameplate FLA protects the motor correctly. If you set the relay at 110%, the motor will not be protected.

In USA, there is a 115% service factor, which means that the motor can safely take some overload. Setting of the relay may be different in USA, i hope some experts will enlighten us.

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Re: Difference Between Over Current and Overload Relays

03/02/2011 9:53 PM

This thread also help:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/60385/Over-Load-and-Over-Current (especially see the comment # 2)

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Re: Difference Between Over Current and Overload Relays

03/03/2011 12:41 AM

A full answer to this could be complex, and could also depend on local code interpretations of the terms "overload" and "overcurrent."

"Overload" relates primarily to the health of the motor, which can draw a bit over FLC for a fairly long time, but much over FLC for only a short time. (As kvsridhar notes, this is in an intentional current path, but somewhat too high a current.)

The service factor of motors varies from 1.00 up to 1.25 and maybe even higher. The overload setting can be varied somewhat to account for this, and also to avoid nuisance tripping. Furthermore, the location of the overload sensing device may be in an ambient temperature different from the motor, and some adjustments may (or must) be made for this.

"Overcurrent" relates primarily to the wiring and to the protective devices. The term may include "overload," but it refers more to ground (earth) faults and short circuits through unintended pathways; and in general to large overcurrents.

My memory of NEC values may be a bit hazy here, but fuses can be rated 1.75 x motor FLC, or the next larger standard size. Thermal circuit breakers can be 2.25 x FLC. Thermal-magnetic circuit breakers have two ratings: thermal as before (which is time x overcurrent dependent), and magnetic, which is instantaneous but several times higher than FLC according to how high the starting current of the motor is.

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03/03/2011 1:03 AM

As you can tell by reading the other excellent comments in this thread it all depends on what type of overcurrent protection you are using.

My Electrical code requires the following:

Time Delay fuses= not in excess of 175% of your FLA

Non-Time Delay fuses=not in excess of 300% of your FLA

Circuit breakers=not in excess of 250% of your FLA

When it comes to overload protection my code states that you would set the overload to 125% of your FLA if the service factor is 1.15 or greater, but if it's less the 1.15 then you would set them at 115% of your FLA.

These are just the common settings that could be used, there are many other options out there for protection. But I would suggest you look at the electrical code in your area and get the help of a qualified person if you are still not sure.

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03/03/2011 2:10 AM

how to calculate service factor for motors.

All are valuable comments indeed!

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03/03/2011 2:17 AM

Service factors are usually given by the manufacturer, maybe from tests; I don't think "calculated" is an exact term. Usually, one just looks at the motor nameplate.

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03/03/2011 2:24 AM

Overloads are always Thermal. Please remember that a motor, even if loaded to less than its rated capacity, can get thermally overloaded, if cooling is insufficient. In such a case, any over current relay set to the motor's rated full load current cannot and will not prevent damage to the motor. Also, over current relays do not bother about hot start conditions of the motor.

Alternately, a motor even if overloaded beyond its rated capacity can and will still survive with improved cooling (Remember dual rated transformers in power stations with ONAN and ONAF Cooling?) In such a case, even if the motor tolerates the over load, any over current relay shall initiate tripping.

Modern numerical motor protection relays do have a protection element called "Thermal Overload Protection" wherein thermal overload protection is offered by the relay with just current inputs and with the thermal time constantys of the motor programmed into the relay. Such an element offers protection both during "hot motor condition" as well as "cold motor conditiuon".

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03/03/2011 10:35 AM

GAs to EE65 and msamad.

i have been trying to get people to understand that motors can burn out even without overload, due to clogged airways (especially in textile industries). Not many takers you will be surprised. Actually, since most engineers today want to do their work in front of clean computers rather than dirty their hands on actual products, we can only expect and sigh at this degeneration.

And msamad, the good info about US codes....very valuable, thanks.

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Re: Difference Between Over Current and Overload Relays

03/04/2011 12:53 AM

Regards.

I think that overload protection is added in all wound components, rotating or static.

And it is with a thermally operated device, relay, Trip winding or fuse embedded in the windings.

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