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Hydrogen Explosions

03/20/2011 8:14 AM

I've heard several reports of hydrogen explosions from the nuclear reactors in Japan. What I haven't heard is why the explosions occured. I know that when the fuel rods are exposed they produce an excess of heat. I think this causes the remaining water to heat to the point where the water is broken down into its component parts of hydrogen an oxygen. And, of course, hydrogen burns and oxygen helps it to burn better. This is similar to what happens when a small amount of water is used in an attempt to extinguish a fire involving magnesium. The magnesium burns so hot that massive amounts of water are required to cool the metal. Thoughts?

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03/20/2011 9:24 AM

The fuel rods are tubes of zirconium, which contain uranium pellets. An odd feature of zirconium is that when exposed to boiling water, it disassociate the boiling water and subsequently creates lots of hydrogen.

As to why zirconium is preferred in a wet, hot environment is anyone's guess.

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03/20/2011 10:34 AM

Zirconium itself is very chemically stable and thus has a low corrosion effect at the temperatures that happen in the reactor. In contrast Uranium oxide salts are water soluble and will disperse the cooling water if no cladding exists. Also Zirconium has a very low neutron capture cross-section so the neutrons that feed the fission chain reaction are not consumed by this cladding.

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Re: Hydrogen explosions

03/20/2011 1:25 PM

Nicely done redfred. No " barns" made from Zirconium... Milo

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Re: Hydrogen Explosions

03/20/2011 11:57 AM

Water starts to decompose to hydrogen and oxygen at around 2,000C. At 3,000C about 50% has decomposed. As long as the surrounding temperature remains high, then the hydrogen and oxygen will not recombine. Once they are vented to a lower temperature, then recombination takes with the release of much energy - an explosion. All that energy that was used to decompose the water now comes back with a vengeance. Hydrogen is the smallest molecule and can pass right through metals, particularly when hot. Perhaps in nuclear reactors, the hydrogen escapes from the overheated reactor core, causing it to explode within the containment vessel. Any nuclear engineers out there? Please advise.

As regards magnesium, you are correct, when hot from burning in oxygen, it will also react with water, reducing it to hydrogen, which then also burns. So adding water to extinguish burning magnesium can only be accomplished by adding a large excess.

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03/21/2011 12:17 AM

At around 1200 c zirconium takes oxigen from water, forming zirconium oxide. When wented out, the steam with hidrogen in it, meets the oxigen from air. A litle spark or static charges or a catalist and it explodes.

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03/20/2011 11:54 PM

The hydrogen explosions are dwarfed in size by the "hot air" explosion in the popular press.

Australian papers are full of nuclear horror stories, unscaled full color graphs, lists of symptoms etc. One report showed hundreds of people lining up for a radiation screening, pictures of the scary looking test room, space-suited workers and quotes from scared mothers. Truly horrific (think of the children). It would have been even worse if any radiation had actually been detected.

The only things missing, in the coverage, are actual measurements and information that would allow people to keep this disaster in proportion.

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03/21/2011 12:02 AM

Yea, but then who would buy the newspapers

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03/24/2011 11:42 PM

All due to the perfect confluence of the media's "If it bleeds, it leads" mentality and the overwhelming ignorance of the vast majority of the public.

I'd love for critical thinking to be taught in schools, but I'd settle for thinking.

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Re: Hydrogen Explosions

03/21/2011 10:49 AM

The replies explaining the zirc-oxide reaction are correct. Hydrogen release after a loss of coolant accident (or LOCA) is a well-studied scenario in nuclear safety. Unfortunately, hydrogen and oxygen (or air) are flammable over a large range of concentrations, and even a relatively slow burn can cause a pressure buildup in the containment building that is too much for the building to contain unless there is venting or condensation. Large energetic explosions or detonations can be very destructive, as we have seen in Japan. Some nuclear plants have ignitors as a safety feature to ignite the hydrogen before it builds up to dangerous levels. (Small pressure increases spread out over a long period of time are less dangerous than one large pressure increase in a short time, the steam will have time to condense or vent safely and the pressure returns to normal before the next mini-burn). Some reactors are using catalytic recombiners, which do the same thing but without the flame. These features are only useful if the release of hydrogen is slow, however. Catalytic recombiners have their limits, they can only process so much H2-air-steam at a time (imagine a steel duct about 2' x 2' and 4-10' long. The gases enter at the bottom of the duct and the heat of recombination creates a chimney effect in the duct which pulls in new gases at the bottom).

PWR reactor containment buildings are extra strong to withstand the pressure buildup from steam release and potential hydrogen deflagrations. BWRs vent the steam/hydrogen to a pool of water to condense the gases and reduce the pressure increase. Many CANDU reactors are connected to a vacuum building which would rapidly draw in any steam from an accident and keep the containment building sub-atmospheric.

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03/21/2011 2:59 PM

Good information H2O girl. There is one point that I want to make sure that everyone understands. Hydrogen burns, oxygen does not burn. Oxygen, acting as an oxidizer, helps other products to burn. Oxygen will vastly increase the flammability limits of a substance and cause them to burn more effeciently and hotter.

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03/21/2011 3:53 PM

Absolutely. My bad, lazy grammar; when I said

"hydrogen and oxygen (or air) are flammable over a large range of concentrations"

I meant of course, that hydrogen is flammable in both air and oxygen, over a large range of concentrations, e.g. 4% H2 in air to 75% H2 in air, etc.,etc.

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Re: Hydrogen Explosions

03/21/2011 4:32 PM

Steam (from water) exposed to red hot iron (and maybe other metals) creates hydrogen. That's how the Germans filled a hundred zeppelins. Creating hydrogen by electrolysis or chemical means is not as efficient, apparently.

Pure hydrogen won't burn, but mixed with oxygen (air) it burns or blows up. Those buildings in Japan should have had big vents.

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Re: Hydrogen Explosions

03/21/2011 6:01 PM

"Pure hydrogen won't burn....."

"Burning" means vigorously reacting with something else (usually oxygen), with the evolution of heat and light. The "something else" ("the oxidant") could also be fluorine or chlorine. Thus hydrogen also burns in fluorine. Pure anything won't burn in the absence of an oxidant. How can it?

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