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TRIACS

03/26/2011 10:32 PM

Hi Guys, I've been lumbered with the repair of a "SMPS battery Charger" as fitted to a motorised wheelchair. It's symptons were a blown fuse. I found two large caps and the bridge rectifier were blown, and after quite a bit of work, I've come across an 8 Amp triac. on testing, it would appear that there is a short circuit between the gate and one of the main terminals. My question is this normal..?? Norm.

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03/26/2011 11:30 PM

I don't think its normal for a triac to fail if right triac is used in right circuits.no manufacturer will survive if he made it for normally to fail. probably triac used is under rated or something is wrong with circuit.

Check the triac rating for gate voltage, gate current, terminal voltage rating and terminal current and see if everything is with in specification with your circuit, also you can put a surge suppressor in your circuit.

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03/27/2011 12:20 AM

If you're sure it's a TRIAC I assume it's the one usally used to "auto range" on the input voltage (110V vs 220V) by connecting one of the rectifier bridge's AC input to center tap between the two large caps, and effectively doubling the voltage (only if you are at 110V.) Since you are in Australia at 230v it should never trigger. Apparently for some reason it did, with bad concequences. You can safely remove it totally and go forward. Your caps must be ~200V so blew when fed with 310V+ each and possibly more damage is done further. If you're lucky the switching device , propubly a power ~900V Mosfet or a HV transistor pair didn't blow also. Find them and come back for more. S.M.

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03/27/2011 12:46 AM

I think you have hit the nail on the head..!! you are right, the input voltage is rated at 100v - 240v. There are a pair of switching transistors, together with a couple of Dual schottkys at the (I presume) output stage, all of which seem to have survived. Anyway I,ll put it all back together, minus the TRIAC, and we'll see how we go.! Thanks mate, Norm.

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03/27/2011 1:11 AM

If you're to connect back to mains use some current limiting like a 100W filament bulb in series if you can find it nowdays or something similar. And be VERY carefull. 300VDC is VERY dangerous voltage S.M.

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03/27/2011 1:37 AM

I take it that the 100 watt globe, is simply a precaution to take during the first re-connect to limit fault currents should something else decide to explode. Great idea...!!! thanks again, Norm.

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03/27/2011 9:33 PM

May I also add that the 100 watt bulb should be wired / connected in series with your circuit. If it glows bright , you still have a short somewhere that is drawing much current. If it is dimly lit then it safe to assume that there is no other bad component left in your circuit!

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03/28/2011 3:11 AM

What are the letters on the device?- using these & a semi equiv book- or even googling them- will identify device. If triac- without dedicated triac tester- using multimeter- G-mt1=low b/w- mti-mt2=inf b/w-mt2-g= inf b/w- can be leaky or defective also- any doubts simply replace device with suitable equiv or slightly higher rated.

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03/28/2011 3:39 AM

Hi guys, All is well..! The triac was faulty, but acting on advice of this column, I left it out, fired it up and all went well... Brilliant....! Thanks guys, one and all for your advice & support, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, one is only as strong as one's circle of friends. Thanks again, Norm.

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