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11 kV Cabling

04/05/2011 1:14 AM

We are planning to install a 250 kVA,11/0.433 volt transformer for our pump house at a distance of around 5 KM from our plant. For the tfr we have to take 11 kV, XLPE cable under ground along with water pipe line route.

As per the calculations if we use 35 sqmm, 3 core ,XLPE insulated alu cable the voltage drop for running condition is 0.9% and for motor starting condition is 2.36% for 200 kw load and the same is within permissible limits.We will be operating 2 x 75 kW water pumps.

But when i discussed with some contractors they reccommended 95 sqmm cable and were saying 35 will be very small.

Can anyone clarify regarding this ?

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Re: 11 kV cabling

04/05/2011 2:56 AM

According to rough assessment I am of the view that 35 mm sq. may not be suitable.

Your's is an 11 Kv cable; you have to assess suitability of the cable for current carrying capacity, voltage drop and short circuit withstand as well.

Take into account the short circuit value at the feed source (?) in your plant and correlate with the short circuit withstand curves provided by the manufacturer for the cables given in the cable manual to find the correct size.

Easy way out for you is to call the cable manufacturer and ask for their recommendation.

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Re: 11 kV Cabling

04/05/2011 9:05 AM

Selecting the size of cable for any new project is a technical job and not a lay man job.Any size is not suitable. It is to be decided on technical reasons. A competent electrical engineer has to calculate it. Standard cable rating charts are available in engineer's hand books. All cable manufacturers provide their own charts which is provided by their distributors.You only have to apply de rating factors depending on your situation and laying conditions. The following conditions may be verified.

There is no fixed formula to calculate the cable size. The calculation of cable will depend on many factors

1. Voltage ( 11 kV in your case)the type of system ( earthed or unearthed system)

2 .The source of supply

3. Total load and distance of load centre from the source.

4. Ambient Temperature

5. Type of cable ( You decided for XLPE)

6 Cable laying method ( OH/ under ground with depth of laying)

Other considerations are given below.

1. Short circuit rating of cable to be chosen

It will depend on power source, transformer capacity ,cable size ,insulation,initial temperature,finial permissible rise of temperature of the cable ( The data will normally be provided by the cable manufacturer)It will also depend on the type of cable PILC/PVC/ XLPE , Earthed or un earthed system etc. Duration of short circuit depending on the protective system and back up protection which are other important point to be considered

2.. Voltage drop

You must check the likely voltage drop for which standard chart is available which should be referred.

3. Power loss on transmisson.

So get the advise from a competent engineer.

In Electrical Engineering safety is first. So only qualified and licenced Engineers and Technicians are allowed to work only by authorisation.

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Re: 11 kV Cabling

04/05/2011 12:19 PM

Another question to consider is whether the load will always be a maximum of 200 kw (including 2 75 kw pumps). The extra cost to install a slightly bigger cable may make sense in terms of allowing for future expansion.

I also see some benefit from a bigger diameter / stronger cable.

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Re: 11 kV Cabling

04/06/2011 5:54 AM

Probably you must have done the cable sizing calculations only for the continuous current & for the voltage drops (steady state voltage drop & acceleration state voltage drop). But, have you sized the cable for the maximum available short circuit current magnitude & duration? Probably the contrcator must have considered this while recommending 95 sq.mm. But, it need not be 95 sq.mm always. If you can prove by calculations thet your 35 sq.mm cable would withstand the full fault level for the worst expected fault duration, there no need to upsize the cable.

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04/06/2011 8:17 AM

I guess I (can) learn something every day. To the best of my recollection, I never sized cables for their maximum available short circuit current magnitude & duration. It can probably make sense (I'm wondering if it makes sense at low voltages).

Hmm, maybe we did it in reverse, we did consider the let thru current of things like breakers when considering downstream circuit protection devices, but not the actual wires / cables.

Is this now a code requirement? If so, NEC, or some other code?

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Re: 11 kV Cabling

04/06/2011 8:21 AM

Your distance is 5 km

Your maximum load is 250KVA, whic gives approx 16A per phase.

Your load appears to be 3 phase and the transformer input is Delta with a star output.

You need to look at the tables for the Cables and check:

What is the Voltage drop factor for 35 sqmm and work it out for 5 km with a maximum of 48A starting current for both pumps. If the drop is within 5%, it will be OK.

What is the Current load for such a cable and derate it for the 5km.

The Short circuit condition should be dealt with at the start with adequate Breakers or Fuses. The length and rating of the cable has nothing to do with that, but the contrary is more true: You protect the cable! You select the cable to suit the load and the distance.

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