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Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/09/2011 5:35 AM

how can we prevent cracking of plastering along beam and coumn lines.we have put expandle mesh of 10 cm width covering the joints between beam and hollow block work .but even then it cracks along the joint.

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/09/2011 11:01 AM

The problem is that metal beams are going to expand and contract with temperature variations, concrete and plaster don't, (at least not much). Best thing to do would be to pull off the mesh and use caulking in these joints. It will give and take with any movement.

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/09/2011 10:30 PM

When a facade of this type is made, one way to prevent cracking is it must be suspended away from the steel by some sort of flexible attachment that allows differential movement. These motions are small, but they are inexorable.

Another way is to use something that is inherently flexible. The requisite fire protection will be beneath this facade.

A little googling should help here

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/09/2011 10:39 PM

Today on this old house a southern CA. segment had a man making an INDENTION in the mortar mix using his trowel where the separation of the two boards came together on a cabinet that had one of those "plaster look" pieces attached at the bottom of it,He specifically stated it was to prevent cracking..ds

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/09/2011 11:49 PM

Pre-make an artistic crack.

There are plastic edgings for drywall to allow finishing with a clean line.

We have a 2 story stucco house. The stucco is interrupted betwwen floors with a flashing to allow differential expenasion and flexing.

(Stucco is evil stuff!)

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/10/2011 1:03 AM

Hello there

This "Cracking" is not a new thing in Civil Engineering. As said here by many engineers and specialists, there are many more reasons than just expansion-&-contraction in RCC beams or composite RCC slabs and joints.

Your structural engineer shall be able to carry out a proper crack-width calculations to ensure the cracking is within the allowable limits of ACI-318 & 440.1R-01 [4] under service loads. Too much concrete cover, too little concrete cover, insufficient curing, improper selection of reinf bar sizes, improper bar spacing, quick drying of freshly laid concrete, concreting in high temperatures, deffective workmanship etc also contribute to cracking - which you may want to have a deeper look at.

If you are a structural engineer yourself, please note while calculating the crackwidth of these strl members, that the width of the crack depends on the quantity, orientation, and distribution of reinforcing steel crossing the crack. It also depends on the deformation characteristic of the concrete and the bond between the concrete and reinforcing bar. ACI Structural Journal V.107 No.3 2010 can be a very helpful guide for you in estimation of crackwidths in your case of cracking along beam and columns lines. If you use MatchCad I can send some format spreadsheets for your aid.

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/10/2011 11:39 AM

TKS FOR UR REPLIES.I MEANT THE CRACKING IS IN PLASTERING ONLY AND NOT IN BEAM OR COLUMN CONCRETE.IT HAPPENS UNDER THE ROOF BEAM WHERE THE HOLLOW BLOCK WALL CLOSES WITH BEAM.SAME WAY WALLS BETWEEN COLUMNSALSO.

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04/10/2011 7:30 PM

This sounds to me like a deflection problem. I don't know where I hid my AISC Steel Design Manual, but they had deflection limits which were quite a bit tighter when a plaster ceiling was involved (L/360???); it might have been under a heading such as serviceability. This didn't affect my work much as we did industrial mezzanines.

In the design phase this could be fixed; I don't know about post-design.

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Re: Preventing Cracks Along Beam Joints

04/10/2011 4:21 AM

Best not to try. Make the edge of the join smooth and good looking by using any of a number of proprietory products for this purpose.

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