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Cracking/ Deformation After Removal from Service

04/12/2011 2:36 PM

Do Carbon steel pipe fittings (Schedule #120) deform/ warp/ crack on removal from service. As an electric power utility service engineer, the Tee was removed from loop based on degradation (wall thinning) after almost forty years of intermittent service. The location of Tee fitting is such that it is believed to have experienced thermal and vibrational cyclic loadings as well.

In-situ surface, ultrasonic and gammagraphy did not detect any crack except wall thinning. But when removed from the loop by maintenance personnel in night shift and during visual test after about 36 hours, a longitudinal crack was found on the inside surface emanating from minimum thickness point upto the weld joint that was cut (by Grind wheels) for removal. The pipe bevel edge where new Tee fitting was welded next morning was clean on PT examination.

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04/12/2011 2:44 PM

Yes they can depending on the method, and individual removing them. Give a guy a 10 foot breaker bar and he can destroy any fitting you'd like.

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04/13/2011 12:33 AM

Give anything to "TJ" and he will destroy it in 2 seconds. I don't care what it is you give him. I have to make everything 150% "TJ" Proof. The transfer panel to operate from Utility power to Gen power went from $300.00 to over $1200.00 to make it "TJ" Proof as no way in any respect can the utility and gen breakers be on at the same time on the switchgear. The redundancy is so stupid, and "TJ" would make it happen. You just can not fix stupid. I've spent 2 years trying. I gave up a few months ago and just settled to make everything "TJ" proof....

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04/13/2011 4:16 AM

"TJ" certainly gets about, he's been bugging me for years!

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04/13/2011 9:06 AM

Been around almost long enough to collect my Medicare, but what in the h**l is TJ?

Never heard the term before or used it.

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04/13/2011 11:28 AM

I must meet this TJ fellow... Is he Related to that Murphy fellow?

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04/13/2011 3:21 PM

TJ was known as "Ivan" in my last job. He could bend, break or generally wreck anything just by looking at it.

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04/13/2011 4:14 PM

I know a couple TJ's... On occasion they come in real handy.

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04/13/2011 7:27 PM

I believe Murphy is TJ's cousin.

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04/12/2011 10:47 PM

As you are aware there are many grades of carbon steel, and I would guess this tee is of low carbon content. Normally low carbon grade is tough to crack, even with its thining from use. I would suggest the stress that made it crack was introduced when it was serviced as well as its loss of mass through oxidation (or from flow..??).

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04/13/2011 12:35 AM

It is of material A234 wrought CS (forged). None of the adjacent fittings had any reportable evidence of wall thinning (a feature of Flow Accelerated Corrosion). On the average pH=10.67, max temp=550F with no corrosive agressors.

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04/13/2011 11:26 AM

Any possibility of a stray electrical current in the system? You could have localized electrolysis... Just a thought, I've been dealing with a massive corrosion issue lately that turned out to be electrolysis. Electrolysis has a funny way of making metal disappear.

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04/13/2011 11:35 AM

A good answer and a seldom considered cause.

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04/13/2011 11:42 AM

I'm surprised how few people really know or think about electrolysis. But it seems to rear up it's ugly head from time to time causing a good deal of damage. Just about any time you have a (even slightly) conductive fluid and a DC electrical current, you stand a good chance to see some very interesting corrosion. Or even just two different pieces of metal in contact...

I'm not saying this is something to point the finger at, but don't completely overlook it. If it turned out to be electrolysis, you might have a bunch of other problems elsewhere in the system.

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04/13/2011 4:56 PM

GA, very good point.

Knew a guy back in the day, had a 38' Roamer Steel Hull Cabin Cruiser on Lake Michigan.

One spring during re-commissioning, he connected his 12 volt electrolysis protection system backwards.

My Gawd, the damage that was done to the hull in 4 to 5 months was unreal.

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04/13/2011 5:22 PM

I did some tests last week dealing with Electrolysis... I was able to corrode things at a rate you would not believe! Check out this picture:

That was a new, chrome plated, hydraulic piston with a brass piston head when I started. That part spent exactly 1 hour partially submerged (you can easily see the water line) in a tank of (replicated) sea water with +24V applied. ALL the corrosion damage was accomplished in 1 hour.

The picture below was a solid brass wear shoe out of another hydraulic pump:

This part spent 6 hours partially submerged in the same (replicated) saltwater with +24V applied. When I measured the thickness I found that nearly half of the material was missing (0.101 start 0.061 end)... That part was new polished solid brass 6 hours before this picture was taken.

What I found even more curious, was the fact that the part pictured below had no voltage applied to it directly, but simply was submerged in the fluid while two other pieces had voltage applied to them. This corrosion was caused by simply sharing the same fluid as some parts that were electrically charged. In theory, no electrical current flowed through this part (6 hours):

Electrolysis can do some serious damage, and can go on for a long long time before someone finally realizes what is going on to destroy their components so quickly.

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04/13/2011 7:40 PM

These are some amazing photos. Where I work we have 20% salt water that is recirculated from the filter pool, pumped into 10" pipes and distributed to 6 pools.

I ran cable tray perpendicular to these 10" PVC pipes, my guys were laying more cables in the tray and were getting zapped when they were in contact with the pipe and the tray. Described to me as static discharge. Is there a way I can eliminate this? At the paper plant we had a what I called metallic garland that ran across the web to remove the static charge to ground. Is this a possible way to remove this charge in PVC pipe?

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04/13/2011 7:43 PM

Tie it to a good ground. PVC does a really good job of building up static charge. I don't know too much about it though...

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04/13/2011 7:52 PM

Is this from a boiler?

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04/13/2011 3:36 PM

Is it possible this fitting was already thin when it was put into service some 40yrs ago? Obviuosly the other fittings have been checked and appear okay?

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04/13/2011 4:56 PM

What has circulating in that fitting? What was the pressure at which was usually used? Is it possible for the tee to develop porosity, which were acting as chemical deposits. After removal, in air, those chemicals react with air and create a compound (like Fe2O3) that is expanding in the porosity, breaking the fitting. Or some chemical that can cause caustic embrittlement

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