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Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/13/2011 7:33 AM

Is there any specific criteria about when should the expansion loop be placed in Hot oil supply and return header? I mean above what temperature (minimum) and pressure (minimum) for Carbon steel pipe we should think that it needs expansion loop for flexibility. I have to design a supply and a return header for hot oil in a re-boiler. Should I go for the expansion loop calculation? The conditions are:

Temperature (supply)= 170 deg C

Temperature (return)= 130 deg C

Pressure maximum = 10 bar (145 psi)

Header Size (both)= 10"

length of the straight header = 82 feet

Material = carbon steel

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Re: Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/13/2011 9:29 AM

Using the English system, and referring to my earlier post on clearance (Ref Machinery Handbook), the coefficient of thermal expansion for steel is about 7 times 10 to the negative 6th in/in per degree F. Since delta T is reasonably small, and the diameter is also reasonably small the change in diameter will also be small. I need to add that when dealing with plastics, the coefficient of thermal expansion is about 8 times that of steel. Please remember that when calculating the change in diameter of a pipe for example, you will first calculate the change to ∏D.

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Re: Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/13/2011 9:46 AM

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Re: Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/13/2011 12:44 PM

You have not given us enough information to come up with a valid answer.

Each of these lines (supply and return) came from somewhere and go somewhere.

So let's say each line has a point "A" at the upstream end and a point "B" at the downstream end.

Now for the supply line what happens before point "A" and what happens after point "B"?

For the return line what happens before it's point "A" and what happens after it's point "B"?

Maybe you could draw and post a sketch of each line or describe the routing of each line.

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Re: Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/14/2011 12:08 AM

The design should prevent things like this:

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=281

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Re: Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/14/2011 4:54 AM

This should properly be addressed by a Piping Stress Engineer.

As a process Engineer my understanding is that it depends on a lot of stuff. The hotter the pipe the more it expands. It then depends how the pipe is fixed at each end as to how the heated pipe copes with the stress caused by the expansion. Also are your piping runs just straight. Because if you have elbows etc in the route from the header to the reboiler you may have naturally provided expansion routes with out the need for expansion loops.

From memory expansion loops are usually found on the main headers in the pipe rack

Typical expansion 15 e-6 m/mK for steel

Taking the heat rise from 0 - 170°C 82ft = 25m

Expansion = 6mm = 1/4"

As a wild non expert guess I would say that if you have a couple of elbows in the pipe routing it ought to be able to cope so maybe come off teh header in a different orientation to create the routing with elbows.

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04/14/2011 2:19 PM

simonsd has it right....

However, it should be stated that the Lead piping engineer for the project is responsible to make sure that the piping meets the Contract "Code of Record".

He may (or may not) require the services of a piping stress engineer

All piping codes (such as ASME B31.1/B31.3) require a thermal flexibilty analysis of hot piping systems. Your system needs such an evaluation.

Piping expansion loops are a commonly used method to provide flexibility to very long piping runs. More importantly, these loops and pipe support guides ensure that piping expansion goes into directions that the engineer wants !

Expansion loops are not the only way to ensure flexibility....

There is a book by my friend Sam Kappanan ( Introduction to Pipe Stress Analysis) that discusses the design and placement of loops.

The Piping Handbook ( by Nayyar) also contains information

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Re: Expansion Loops for Heat Medium

04/15/2011 4:59 AM

Depending on the isometric drawing (piping configuration), you have to study the flexibility of your piping system, to see to what extent you need an expansion loop, expansion joint or no need at all to any of them. In a lot of cases, you can reroute your piping system, or adding such an elbow which can improve the flexibility of your piping system without adding an expansion joint nor expansion loop.

And as a guide, you can measure the flexibility of your piping system using the equation derived at a lot of codes and standards like as ASME B31.3, Para. 319.4 Flexibility Analysis:

319.4.1 Formal Analysis Not Required. No formal analysis of adequate flexibility is required for a piping system which

(a) duplicates, or replaces without significant change, a system operating with a successful service record

(b) can readily be judged adequate by comparison with previously analyzed systems

(c) is of uniform size, has no more than two points of fixation, no intermediate restraints, and falls within the limitations of empirical eq. 16.

Dy /(LU)2K1 .........................(16)

where,

D = outside diameter of pipe, mm (in.)

Ea = reference modulus of elasticity at 21°C (70°F), MPa (ksi)

K1 = 208 000 SA/Ea, (mm/m)2 = 30 SA/Ea, (in./ft)2

L = developed length of piping between anchors, m (ft)

SA = allowable displacement stress range per eq. (1a), MPa (ksi)

U = anchor distance, straight line between anchors, m (ft)

y = resultant of total displacement strains, mm (in.), to be absorbed by the piping system

319.4.2 Formal Analysis Requirements

(a) Any piping system which does not meet the criteria in para. 319.4.1 shall be analyzed by a simplified, approximate, or comprehensive method of analysis, as appropriate.

Note. In case of steam piping, you can apply the equation of measuring the flexibility as derived at ASME B31.1.

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Please see that site for more details about expansion loop sizing: http://www.egpet.net/vb/threads/14201-Expansion-Calculations-amp-Loop-Sizing-and-Requirements

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04/16/2011 2:23 PM

Abdel, yet again, provides solid specific advice.

It simply could have not been stated better....

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