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Need Some Help in Designing Shaping Amplifier

04/18/2011 5:25 AM

Hi,

Actually I am designing a shaping amplifier for my project.

I have done the theorotical calculation but when I was implementing in practical I was not getting as I got in theorotical. Presently I was designing RC-RC shaping amplifier whose input is signal is 10usec step or ramp signal. I was designing shaping time of 1µsec but I am not getting correct output while I was implementing practical.

Can anyone suggest me any circuit for shaping amplifier with doing your theoritical claculations please?

Thanks.

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04/18/2011 11:08 PM

Hello Ejaz484, perhaps you could post your circuit and some waveforms. There's not much to go on.

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04/19/2011 4:51 AM

OK, Ejaz484, here's the circuit you gave us. Shaik, it's easy enough to work through, just take each piece as you come to it. Get out your calculator and follow along step by step, checking my math.

You can make the straight-line frequency-response sketch from the breakpoints we uncover.

The drawing is hard to make out with CR4's compression, so I'll post it in stages.

The input has a DC attenuation of 1/350. With C1 = 792pF it has a zero (rising response, starting) at f1 = 537 Hz. This is a strong rising gain, 6dB/octave, which continues until f2 = 350*537 = 188kHz, above which the input has unity gain.

The 1st-stage amp has unity DC gain, and it has an AC gain of 10 above 159 Hz.

So the input stage basically has a rising response from 537 Hz to 188 kHz, about 2.5 decades, or eight octaves, and finishes up with a gain of 10.

Let's do the second stage, taking it one step at a time.

The 2nd-stage input filter features an LC + R, with 330μH and 1300pF. It has unity gain at DC, and goes to a resonance peak at f3 = 243kHz. You know, ω2 = 1 / LC. The resonant LC impedance is ω L = 504 ohms, and we see an 806-ohm series damping resistor, so the resonance has a modest Q of 806/504 = 1.6.

We can characterize the frequency response of this portion as flat to almost 243kHz, where it has a small peak, above which it falls at 12dB/octave.

The 2nd-stage amp also has unity DC gain, and it has a variable AC gain of 10 to 23.2, starting above 159 Hz at G=10.

Let's do the third stage, one step at a time. It's very similar to the 2nd stage, with an LC resonant peak, except with a smaller LC, so at a higher frequency.

The 3rd-stage input filter has LC + R, with 180μH and 1240pF. It also has unity gain at DC, and a resonance peak a bit higher at f4 = 337kHz. Its resonant LC impedance is = 381 ohms, and it has a 442-ohm damping resistor, so the resonance has a modest Q = 1.16, lower than the 2nd stage Q.

So the frequency response of this 2nd LC-portion is flat to almost 337kHz, where it has a small peak, above which it also falls at 12dB/octave.

The 3rd-stage amp has unity DC gain, and a variable AC gain of 17.5 to 21.5, starting above 318 Hz at G=17.5. It's not clear why this stage is made variable, with such a small adjustment range - the needed gain range could have been included in the 2nd stage. Pots are generally considered more unreliable than fixed resistors, and their use should be minimized.

It'd be interesting Shaik, to see your overall response sketch. But we can generalize and say the shaping circuit has a rising frequency response over more than eight octaves from f1 to f2, or about 0.5kHz to almost 250kHz, where it flattens out a bit, has a few little humps as it pushes its way to about 350kHz, and then falls off like a rock.

Maybe you can tell us a bit about what this is for.

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10/11/2011 10:09 PM

Dear sir,

I have read and calculate it carefully, It's very helpful.But I found the gain of second stage should be (1+9.09/1)=10.09 to (1+9.09/3)=4.03.

The Gain of the third stage should be (1+8.25/0.499)=17.5 to (1+8.25/2.499)=4.3

I can found the circuit here:

http://www.amptek.com/a275.html

I want to make it FWHM to about 100ns ,How can I do it?

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Re: Need Some Help in Designing Shaping Amplifier

09/24/2019 8:27 AM

Cleared my all circuity concepts

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04/18/2011 11:11 PM

Congratulations on making it to your project time and a very special thanks for putting "up front" this is your project.

I would suggest that rather than ask others for their theory and calculations (some might be suspicios that your design and cals aren't done) you might describe what is happening and what you expected to happen, along with some details of your design.

I suspect then that you might get some really good advice.

My guess (It's a very long time since I did anything with amps) is that the step change in your 10usec signals and your 1usec shaping are not compatible, but what are you seeing? Are you getting bounce, resonance, harmonics, or whatever.

Remember, your 10usec primary will have a frequency distribution based on the harmonics of that input,(Do a FFT extrapolation of the harmonics for that waveform.) while your 1usec shaper may be blind to some of the embedded frequencies, especially the harmonic around 3.3usec.

As I said, these are only a GUESS as I haven't been near amplifier theory for over 25 years.

I honestly hope this is of assistance.

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Re: Need Some Help in Designing Shaping Amplifier

04/19/2011 11:33 AM

From a practical standpoint, you have to be selective with the kind of circuit components you are going to use. Every electronic components are rated with certain +/-% tolerance accuracy of its rated values. Most of the time the net combinations of these values / tolerances will determine (how close, or how far) the resultant or how the expected output will deviate from the actual output for each stage in your circuit.

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