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Rating Current for Switch & Cable

05/02/2011 4:37 AM

1. Ampe rating on switch shows: 16A.

2. Ampe rating on 1.5mm2 cable catalog shows: 19A for underground installation, single core.

My question is:

1. Can I connect this switch to 40x72W fluorescent lamps? Or can I connect to 02x250W sodium lamps?

2. Can I use this cable this for 40x72W florescent lamps? Or just need to keep the voltage drop stayed within the limit?

I mean not to overheat the switch and cable? Is that correct when we can use up to the limit of current stated on switches and sockets? This question seems so stupid but I found several switches were overheated. Is there any tips from the gurus?

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Re: Rating current for switch & cable

05/02/2011 5:42 AM

@ 12.5A yes, but with a big BUT. The striking current when 40 lamps turn on at the same time will be X1.8 load. The cable is undersized so you will get appreciable volt drop making starting the lamps worse.

Time for a rethink.

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05/02/2011 5:57 AM

So, when the contractor comes to me with an 16A overheated switch which is used for one 250W sodium lamp and said: "This is caused by overload. We must replace the other switching method for lamp".

"You bought the fake one or recheck your connection since the rating showed 16A and how much current will be made by that lamp"? Impossible for that switch to be overheated by the lamp. Correct?

Ok, this is my off-topic.

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05/02/2011 12:02 PM

The key factor you've omitted is the nominal voltage and phases of your power grid that this switch and cable will be handling. The fluorescent lamps will be drawing nearly 3kW of power. (At a nominal 80 lumen per watt you're at almost a total of 1/4 million lumen. That's a lot of light.) If you have a 120 VAC single phase grid this is an inadequate switch and cable. If the grid is 480 VAC three phase then you will not have to worry about in rush currents.

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05/02/2011 12:11 PM

Yeah, I know lo of light. Voltage here is 220V.

Normally, we use this switch to control less than 10 sets of 72w lamp. But the reason I post the question here is I want to find the truth behind the current rating given by supplier especially commercial sockets and switches.

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05/02/2011 1:07 PM

Why didn't you say so in the first place?

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05/02/2011 8:48 PM

I've noticed that and will do it in the first place. Thank you very much for your suggestion.

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05/03/2011 1:55 AM

The 16A switch rating is for a resistive load, but you will be switching a capacitive load which will result in very large inrush currents. This will cause arcing and may result in the switch contacts welding together. My experiance is to use these everyday commercial switchers at about 50% of their rating and this seems to work well.

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05/03/2011 2:02 AM

Rating a switch at whatever current, is nearly meaningless, Without telling the whole story.

This is the reason why there are electricians, and there are people who know stuff.

The load in your case, with the fluros, is an AC3 load, capacative/inductive. If your switch is rated at 16amp AC3 duty at 240vac, then you are in with half a chance. If you switch the load off and on, say twice a day.

If this switch, say, is being switched off and on every 10 seconds, then please have a bucketfull of switches ready. Because the AC3 load is now doing it, at an AC4 duty.

There are a lot of features, built into a switch to do a particular job.

Even like a Star Delta starter, standard of the shelf, is nominally rated at 3 starts per hour. If you need a starter to start/stop 20 times per hour, then the starter must be redesigned to manage it.

Switches aint just switches.

Here in Australia, it is Illegal for someone not currently qualified, to install electrical equipment. But that does not stop people using 2pair telephone cable to connect a ceiling fan, some bloody electrician wants to charge me $$$$$$, to do the job. I know and did it for nothing, type idiots.

But as you are an electrician you should know all this.......

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05/03/2011 7:05 AM

British Standard 7671.

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05/03/2011 6:32 PM

Just noted that these lights are being installed underground, as the cable rating you are using, indicates that it will not be in a roof space or in conduit above ground.

If the 1.5mm cable is being used as a control circuit to switch a contactor, rated at 16amp AC3, and your 40 lamps have been split into 3 groups, and wired with 2.5sqmm cable, then you are getting there.

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