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GD2 Value Vs GR2 Value

05/29/2011 11:34 AM

many times in calculating the initial torque value, GD2 value is required. generally GD2 value is obtained by multiplying the GR2 value by 4.
why exactly GD2 value is used instead of GR2. Torque and starting time required can be calculated by GR2 also. what is GD2 value??

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05/29/2011 11:34 PM

Because D (diameter) = 2* R (Radius), GD²=G*(2R)²=4*GR², Clear ?

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05/30/2011 7:22 AM

That doesn't answer bushan's question. He already knows there's a factor 4 between them. I don't know why GD2 is used either. If you calculate from first principles you need GR2 e.g. torque = MoI (GR2)*angular acceleration. I can't think of an occasion where the formula is simpler with GD2, while using GR2 needs a 4 putting in.

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05/30/2011 7:47 AM

Sincere apologies to both of you. It was a feeble attempt at some levity, shouldn't have happened.

This document may explain a bit ? ctlg_geared_e_9.pdf

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05/30/2011 10:24 AM

No problem, I thought you were being serious .

On your link, I don't see why page 4 distinguishes between J (Inertia calculation) and GD2 (Flywheel effect calculation). All the torque etc calculations, including Flywheel application on page 1, use J (= WR2) and most of the J and GD2 formulas differ by factor 4 as expected. But I don't think the data for sphere and cube is correct. For the sphere, GD2 = 2/5*WD2 is correct, but J should be GD2/4 = 1/10*WD2 = 2/5*WR2 (the form I remember it as).

For a cube, J = 1/12*W*(a2 + b2) (not 1/8), making GD2 = 1/3*W*(a2 + b2) as stated.

Also it's confusing to say under J --- W : Mass (kg), but under GD2 ---- W : Weight (kgf). It should be mass (kg) for both.

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05/30/2011 10:45 AM

Well, you have gone about 200 miles ahead of my knowledge on this aspect

In the electrical engineering curriculum of those long gone days (1964), a casual mention was made to all these silly things - inertia, torque, etc. We electrical engineers were far superior to all these which were supposed to be handled by lesser mechanical mortals. Alas, when i started in my first job, reality brought me down with a thud, so i started learning all these anew. i still am. GD² is one of them !

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05/31/2011 12:54 PM

Thank you for your reply. still my questions is unaswered. why GD2 value is used instead of GR2. KINDLY HELP ME BY GIVING STRAIGHT ANSWER.

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05/31/2011 3:04 PM

You're not going to get any more help than you've had already, not from me anyway. Have you read and thought about the responses? If you can find a calculation that is simpler with GD2 than GR2, let us know and maybe we'll comment. In any case it's only a matter of getting an elegant formula, it's not hard to * or / by 4 if necessary.

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