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06/15/2011 4:42 PM

Good Day folks,

I need some input on high pressure hoses 60kpsi to be exact. Ok I have the pressure washer that operates at 33kpsi. the (new) hoses will brake at the connectors. I have replaced the hoses several times.

The pump system is similar to what is used on a water jet setup, except for one thing I have no pulsation damper on my pump setup. I suspect that this could be causing the hoses to fail. Yes there is a lot of pulsation of the hoses.

if anyone has experience with water jet machines or high pressure hoses I wold like your feed back.

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06/15/2011 5:30 PM

33,000-60,000PSI? That's serious business.

You are correct, you need a pulsation dampener to reduce the pulse shock in your system. Without one, you will have components fail as you are well aware.

Without a pulsation dampener, you will be replacing components on a regular basis.

What are you pressure washing at that pressure? Those types of pressure washers are typically only used in large industrial applications, such as heavy equipment cleaning, and bridgework.

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06/16/2011 8:29 AM

We are washing hardened parts. The actual machine design is really cool and functions well. The manufacturer is CESCO (not an endorsement ).

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06/16/2011 3:04 AM

Having worked on an automated pressure wash system (50,000PSI) for about 12 years I wish you luck. We never did master the problem of flexibles snapping off at the fittings or bursting. It just became a fact of life that at least one flexible would have to be changed every 2 weeks or so.

We did come up with one idea, that was to install a second system that we could change over to keep production going. Unfortunately the production manager hit on the idea that if both systems ran together he could speed up the process. Then we were changing at least one pipe every week!

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06/16/2011 8:23 AM

Thanks Guys,

I think at this point I will be getting the pump manufacturer to add the damper. Hopefully this will at least give a little more life to the hoses. Having to live with such short hose life is unacceptable.

I am with ya on increasing the speed from manufacturing, I deal with it on a daily basis. Grrrrr,

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06/17/2011 8:55 AM

This is a bit out of my area but I work on water systems all the time. I'm wondering if you could have a 3-way valve on the trigger. So once you stopped blasting your part the pressure just didn't slam back through the hose. That's my 2 cents worth

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06/17/2011 5:11 PM

The system has a built in relief valve already. The problem does not appear to be when the system shuts down but more so while it is running. The hoses shake rapidly. The hose has never broken in any place other than at the fixed ends. The failure looks like the hose has been pulled out of the compression fitting. Also I should mention that the hoses have what I call a protective outer jacket. I would like to know if anyone else has had any problems with these types of hoses as compared to a hose with no outer jacket.

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06/17/2011 6:49 PM

The Relief valve will do nothing to help your pulsation problem, and is not quite fast enough to handle instantaneous spikes. The relief valve has to mechanically move the spool/poppet etc. in order to open the port to tank which can take milliseconds longer than you would need to help with the pressure spikes. You need something that can absorb the spikes, and provide extra pressure/flow (give the spike back when it's on the opposite end of the pulsation cycle) during those brief periods of time that the pressure drops. This is done with the dampener (accumulator with a gas pre-charge). Once it's installed, I would wager you would see your entire system smooth out and calm down.

You should stop thinking about the hoses/fittings, and start thinking about the system as a whole. It doesn't matter what hose/fittings you use (as long as they are rated for the proper pressure), they will all break, and if they were upgraded to some kind of seriously strong fitting, then you would most likely see other things breaking which could be much more expensive and timely to repair. You need to reduce the pulsations, which will in turn reduce the fatigue issues you are having with all the cyclic loading all your equipment is experiencing.

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06/18/2011 11:02 AM

I agree RV, I am working with the manufacturer on the dampener. The relief valve is only there for as you describe. it is not intended to handle the pulsation. I hope that w can find a resolution soon as the hose cost is killing us!

Thanks for the input!

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