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Lamp Recycling = Artificial Industry?

07/11/2011 10:02 AM

It seems to me that a lot of effort has been spent on worrying about the wrong things. And much to my amazement, the lamp recycling industry has taken root based solely on good intentions and nothing more. Truthfully, there is no such thing as "lamp recycling", it is only a disposal service that makes everybody "feel good" as if they are doing something responsible. The crushed components still end up in a landfill. And separating the various metals is highly ineffective.

Now I appreciate that every little bit of effort helps, but at what cost? What are we really getting for our money? Has anybody ever followed the waste stream to verify a benefit? If you do, I believe you will find that it usually ends up as landfill despite all the ridiculous regulations and rules. But it feels good so we all play along anyway.

I am concerned that we will make ourselves so busy with such trivial nonsense about lamp disposal that we will miss the bigger picture. Such is the nature of distraction. And speaking of nature, little if anything is being done to contain the naturally occuring deposits and releases of these same contaminates into our environment.

After all, how can anyone clean up the toxic gas and metals released from a volcano? Oh, and don't talk about the mercury released in fossile fuels! My 4 wheel gas guzzler depends on that stuff!

The big picture involves these last two sources of contamination, yet we are content with fooling ourselves with artificial benefits? It is a little like peeing in the swimming pool while making up rules and regulations and signs about not peeing on the grass.

So I suppose my real question is this. Do you believe that lamp recycling is actually doing us any good?

(Do you still believe in the tooth fairy?)

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07/12/2011 12:12 AM

Can't the glass in bulbs be recycled in glass factories?.

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07/12/2011 1:30 AM

I think it's a question of separation...

Sand is probably a more pure source of silicon dioxide than ground up light bulbs (not to speak of ground up CFL's)

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07/12/2011 3:51 AM

Ground glass could be mixed with concrete or cement blocks or cement bricks.

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07/12/2011 9:30 AM

En excellent interim alternate use stream until someone comes up with an economical way to separate out the tungsten and other metal contaminants!

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07/12/2011 7:11 AM

Not an answer to the question but a note to the regulations. The place where I work is located on a state line and we have property on both sides. One of our electricians passed on the following information to me relating to the disposal of fluorescent lamps.

In one state it is illegal to crush the bulbs. The other state it is ok. We purchased a bulb smasher and it is located in the appropriate state and the bulbs were sent there for disposal. As of late there has been some discussion about the "proper disposal" of the bulbs and the machine sets idle while the legal aspects are being reviewed.

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07/12/2011 8:23 AM

My question is, as an end user, what do I do with blown mercury vapor bulbs? I have a box of them awaiting their trip to the local hazardous waste place.

(I can't say that I've ever believed in the tooth fairy.)

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07/12/2011 10:14 AM

That's where you pay someone else a lot of money to throw them into the dump for you.

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07/13/2011 8:41 AM

Try here. If you have a box, this will probably save you some money as well. Landfilling haz waste is expensive.

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07/13/2011 8:37 AM

I am going to have to disagree with my first hand knowledge of a company in Indianapolis that recycles the material from the crushed bulbs. I provided a pollution prevention opportunity assessment (sustainability assessment with life cycle analysis) to the company. Here is how they do it from my memory (to bad I don't still have my files and plant layout).

The tube bulbs are crushed in an inclosed crusher that captures 99.9% of the particulate matter (including the mercury) and cuts off the metal ends to the tubes. The captured gases are put through a distiller that removes the mercury. I don't remember exactly how the distillation column worked. I just remember a spiralling tube with inlet and outlet and a mercury storage tank. The mercury is sold on the open market through an outside company (not exactly sure how the markets work or where the mercury goes because I didn't get to talk to the outside company). The glass is put through a washer to remove any mercury residue. This water goes through the above mentioned distiller for the same reasons. The metal ends were sold on the open market through a local recycling company. The glass was stored in 110' trailers and shipped offsite twice a week. The company had 4 trailers.

The cfl's went through a hands on process where the bulb was broken at the inlet air flow to the tube crusher. The metal and plastic were separated and sold to the local recycling company. They barely made anything off of the plastic. The metal and mercury sold for enough that the company has been profitable.

The issue they had was the glass was going to a landfill. I found a company (art products manufacturer that provides glass beads) in Indiana that was able to use the glass as long as it had less than a certain percent of mercury. After some samples were sent off and tested, the bulb glass was found to be well below that limit. Now the companies have a great relationship where the bulb recycler ships the glass to the art products manufacturer. The bulb recycler weas losing over $100,000 every year in landfill costs not counting having to haul the glass to the landfill themselves. This project saved them the landfill costs. The hauling costs are about the same.

It can be done and is profitable. Those companies that are landfilling everything except the metals are not getting the full potential out of the resources that they have. Every state has pollution prevention people that will help out with this whether they are state employees, college student programs, project specific interns or consultants doesn't matter. The resource is there and is free if the state employees, college student programs or interns are used.

The glass could have also been used in asphalt. We just already new that the art product manufacturer needed glass as one of my coworkers was helping them on some other projects.

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07/13/2011 8:57 AM

That is very interesting. I work in an R&D lab where we deal with all sorts of companies with niche applications like the glass ark work company you mentioned. There are some pretty interesting things going on, that most people have no knowledge of.

Thanks for sharing.

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07/13/2011 9:46 AM

thanks for posting this bit of reality

where did the bulbs come from?

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07/13/2011 10:06 AM

The bulbs came from everywhere: warehouses, defective bulbs from a lighting manufacturer, different businesses, and people's homes. The boxes for mailing can be ordered online.

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07/13/2011 11:35 AM

It has been 2 1/2 years since I was there. I believe the phosphors were the white powder (?) that I saw being shipped out in crates. I don't remember how they were separating it out. I only focused on the glass because they had a place to sell/give away everything else that came from the bulbs and that is what they asked me to help them with. Funny that they didn't show up on the ecycling list. Although, the list seems to be free drop off points.

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