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Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/11/2011 2:51 AM

When I asked this question, the reply came to me:

"At 220 kv, Insulation problem will be there therefore power generation is at 15.7 kv or 20 kv that too generator in star connections".

But for power transformer working at 220 kv, insulation is required and they are operating well with class h insulation at 220 kv.

So what are other reasons for the same?

Please correct me if I am wrong at any point.

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Re: Why does generation not occur at 220 kv?

08/11/2011 4:48 AM

Size.

A machine rotating and generating at 220kV will be much larger than one generating at a lower voltage.

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Re: Why does generation not occur at 220 kv?

08/11/2011 7:17 AM

Copper - current

iron - Flux

Both contribute to the power directly. But insulation doesn't.

So More is the % of these the better will be the power/weight ratio.

More voltage = more flux = more iron (to maintain flux density) = more weight

More Voltage = More insulation = Less Copper or further more weight

Upto a certain extent more voltage = less current = less copper required

As far as I remember it is a bit more than 20 (somewhere around 11KV or so min to 33KV or so minimum) where the different generators are optimised obviously larger is the size of the generator, the copper comes into play a bit more and hence the voltage is raised up and then of course usually a bit of standardisation also comes in picture.

The additional parts that comes in picture are

a) Cooling - higher is the voltage, more complicated would be the isolation of the coolant especially if it is water cooled generator.

b) Rigidity- afterall the insulation is significantly softer and less rigid than the metal. And may try to play havoc under centrifugal action.

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/11/2011 12:41 PM

Remember too that you will not see an oil-insulated generator! The 220kV transformer will have oil as its main insulation, which has high dielectric strength as well as thermal transfer properties useful to the application. You won't see a transformer with dry-type insulation (solid insulation such as varnish, enamel, epoxy, etc.) at much higher voltage than about 15kV because of that - you can't get enough electrical insulation from it without having it so thick that you have thermal insulation problems as well as physical construction problems.

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/11/2011 2:45 PM

"But for power transformer working at 220 kv, insulation is required and they are operating well with class h insulation at 220 kv."

Already well answered. But the simpler way to think of it:

A 220kV transformer doesn't have to move!

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/12/2011 7:40 AM

But Emf induced in the stator only So that part is stationary.

Rotor has to move and it carry field flux only.

Also Power rating is same for a generator generating at 15.7 Kv and other at 220 kv.

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/12/2011 1:00 AM

Insulation is one aspect-But generator neutral grounding problem will be un surmountable.Vincennes -you can not ground it. Too much earth fault risk damage.No use in resistance grounding-since the rest of the system is solidly grounded. A generator transformer is un avoidable.QED- ! Harry Belafonte's Bucket.

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/14/2011 8:04 AM

Theoretically generator could be designed at 220KV but practically it gives rise to many problems. The stator coils are housed in iron core slots (unlike transformer winding) which are at ground potential. The surface of coils as well that of stator core are not smooth and therefore there are always an air gaps. At these locations corona discharges take place. These discharges reduce the life of insulation. Unless the stator winding is directly cooled (heat has not the cross the insulation ), higher insulation thickness will make cooling of stator extremely difficult and uneconomical. All the electrical clearances will have to be increased (as rightly commented by other member, generators are not oil cooled like transformers). When coils come out of core, the electrical stress distribution pattern changes and coils outer surface away from the core end, attains almost copper potential. A transition from full voltage drop across the insulation (in side the slot) to almost zero drop (just out side the slot) causes flash overs. Therefore a very strong stress grading system is required to be designed for it. It would be very costly as well as difficult to achieve. All these difficulties limit the common generation voltage to around 27-30KV.

The utilization factor of stator slot (ratio of copper area to slot area) will be extremely low. For high voltage, either very large number of turns are required, or very voltage per turn will have to be generated. It will require large size of core resulting in extremely heavy and dimensionally big generator.

There is optimization process for every design which decides ratio of copper and the steel in any electrical machine from cost, size and weight (and off course practical difficulties) considerations.

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/15/2011 2:05 PM

Thanks PCChatur !!

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Re: Why does Generation not Occur at 220 kV?

08/14/2011 2:12 PM

DEAR FRIEND,

The slot size has to be enormously bigger for the winding since insulation becomes critical to handle. In additon to this, the cooling of Alternator also poses problem.

Rajeswari.

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