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Incorrect Useage of Fire Alarm System SLC Surge Suppressor

08/12/2011 2:47 AM

In NC,USA I often see increased number of catastrophic cpu failures during the summer months attributed to lightning strike. However, true mother nature caused surges rarely have much opposition in the form of properly grounded or bonded arrestors installed. One fire system manufacturer lists a component for SLC use that the surge component manufacturer warns are still distributed for use in "legacy" FA systems ca. pre 1992. The voltage (nominal) and current (max) ratings are far too inadequate for latest generation of ultra transient sensitive FA systems. If an installer can muddle thru this confusion, then the application is usually faulty due to lack of proper survey of grounding system, impedance to said system and resistance limitations of FA system SLC/comm. ckts. Why is this not being addressed by NEC or NFPA 72 for manufacturer's listing vs surge device manufacturer's warranty compliance? Would forgoing system compat docs for surge component supplier's engineered recommendation be considered exceeding or ignoring protected system's listing? And am I way off base and these are considerations when accurately providing records for underwriters?

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Re: Incorrect Useage of Fire Alarm System SLC Surge Suppressor

08/12/2011 11:18 AM

Once you complete the installation of the alarm system, there is nothing stopping an engineer from designing a lightning protection system outside of the alarm system's envelope. A drawback would be the cost.

If the man stroking the check balked at the idea, maybe you could come up with some mean-time-between-failure data to support your design.

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Re: Incorrect Usage of Fire Alarm System SLC Surge Suppressor

08/15/2011 12:39 PM

While you asked some very good questions, I'm not sure I'll be able to address all of them. But I am responding because we are looking at some similar issues to protect our data center. A recent electrical storm set off all of the fire suppression system that was supposed to protect our systems. Instead, the explosion like pressure wave did more damage than a fire would have. But that is not what you are asking about. Incidentally, a couple of weeks later the upgraded fire control system was damaged by yet another storm. Because of this, we became very motivated about checking out our ground system and protection from lighting. It seems that they go hand in hand.

NEC does not really consider lighting to be part of their responsibility. But a good ground system will give the lighting a place to go instead of your other equipment. And I don't really know what you mean by SLC/comm. circuits unless you mean shielded line communication circuits which are addressed. But if you are going to deal with surge protection, you have to specify what kind of surge you are concerned about. For example, a lighting strike usually causes a lot of common mode noise or surge. But a poor connection in one part of a circuit may be responsible for a single sided problem. Again you have to specify so the language doesn't lead you to believe that you have resolved the issue.

In our case, I believe the ground grid leaves a lot to be desired. Careful measurements will tell us where we stand. Some lighting protection may very well fix our ground grid problem as well. Perhaps I can return to this topic when I have some data and a better understanding. Good luck, for now, with your issues!

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