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Motor Over Load Issue

08/18/2011 10:48 AM

Recently I have face the following motor over load issue at my work place :-

Project head over the new process equipment to operation, I receive a complain that the equipment away over load trip after few hours of operation.

  1. I have check the motor resistance and insulation , motor connection and tightening check , no fault was found. Uncouple the motor and rotate the pump and motor and solo run the motor all are normal and our grip supply voltage is 433 Vac.
  2. Run the motor with load the full load current is 26.5 Amp and is lower them the motor rated current.
  1. Check the motor detail below :

Motor rated 400Vac, 11KW. 28 Amp, 0.6 PF.

GE motor manager 501 set at 433 Vac , 11KW, FLC - 28Amp

Over load setting is 105 %

For 433Vac(Supply Voltage )

FLC = 11x1000/1.732 x 433 x 0.6

= 26 Amp.

For 400Vac(Supply Voltage )

FLC = 11x1000/1.732 x 400 x 0.6

= 28 Amp

1.What is the correct setting need to input (26Amp or 28 Amp ) to the GE multi links motor manager 501 controller, If is the wrong setting cause the motor over load ?

2. Any impact when the motor require to operate at 24-7/365 days ?

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Chan kum Kong

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Re: Motor over load issue

08/18/2011 10:51 AM

The motor overload must be set no higher than the rating plate on the motor if the motor is to survive without burnout.

Any impact on running the motor 24/7/365 must be checked with its manufacturer. It seems that at the moment it won't do this without occasional overload tripping.

If the overload trips while it has been correctly set then the process conditions are causing the overload. It is the process that determines the load that the motor "sees", and the current it draws while the load is present. So the cause of the trip may not even be electrical at all.

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Re: Motor over load issue

08/18/2011 10:53 AM

If you have a thermal imager or laser thermometer I'd take the starting temperature of the overload. I'd check it every 15 minutes or so while reading amp draw. I suspect your overload could be defective.

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Re: Motor Over Load Issue

08/18/2011 12:16 PM

You might also check to see if you have access to a "peak" current meter. It will record the largest current you are seeing.

Running a motor very close to its rating leaves no margin for error. An increase in the density of what you are pumping may be enough to overload the motor.

But more likely, the mechanics of the system, such as bearings may overheat and add to the load. They will be hot or noisy just before the overload trips and then they will cool. A majority of "electrical failures" are really mechanical failures.

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Re: Motor Over Load Issue

08/18/2011 1:56 PM

The very first thing I would check is the current BALANCE between the 3 phases. Many, if not most, solid state overload protection units now include pahse current imbalance protection (sometimes whether you know it or not). What it will do is detect a current imbalance and bias the OL protection curve LOWER than you will think it is from the setting. This is to compensate for the added motor heating that will be the result of negative sequence currents created because of the imbalance.

So in other words if you have a setting of 28A, the biasing of the OL curve due to the imbalance may be lowering that trip pickup point to 22A or 23A, so when you are running at 26.5A you have what THE OLR thinks is an overload condition. It's a very common occurance now with SSOLs and many people are unaware of it. It's actually not a bad feature, you just need to understand what is happening. Phase current imbalances generally are the result of some of the things you have already eliminated, but also any VOLTAGE imbalance has an exponential effect on the current imbalance. So if you do show a current imbalance, check the voltages as well, that may be the root cause.

If you can, correct the current and/or voltage imbalance and the problem may go away. If not, you may have to live with it. I am not familiar with the GE 501 series unit, but most likely you can either adjust the phase current imbalance protection feature or even disable it if you are so inclined. You should however understand the consequences first. A small amount of current imbalance heats up the motor windings faster than a standard OL protection curve is designed for, so you can significantly decrease the motor life by running in an imbalanced condition over time.

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Re: Motor Over Load Issue

08/19/2011 1:52 AM

you need to set the overload to 110%, set the overload delay timer, current unbalance to 1 second as a start and see if that does it.

do you have a recorder you can fit to the motor/controller, to record, running current etc? Or see if the motor controller can "Trend" what is happening, that is record over 24 hours exactly what the motor does.

You need more information to make an educated decision, however try increasing the delay timers to see if that helps, if not then call the manufacturer for advice.

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Re: Motor Over Load Issue

08/20/2011 2:07 PM

Just by the way, could you have made a typing error on the relay part number? I cannot find any reference to a Multilin Motor Manager "501". There is an MM2, MM3, MM200 and MM300 series, but nothing that starts with a 5. The only Multilin product that has a "501" in it is a modification number for a PQM Power Quality METER, which is NOT an overload relay so it would not trip at all, it would just indicate to you that you have a problem. If that's what you have, that may be the problem!

Also by the way, the Multilin relays are set to the motor nameplate FLC, then there is a separate programmable pick-up point and all manner of delay settings that can accommodate virtually any starting scenario. If you used it "out of the box" without knowing how to properly commission it, that may be a contributing factor as well.

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Re: Motor Over Load Issue

08/21/2011 3:54 AM

May i know Insulation class of motor and Running temperatures of motor and relay

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