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VFD for Mixer Motor Machine

08/21/2011 6:13 AM

Dear All,

I would request for your advice/suggestions considering the installation of VFDs to a mixing motors machine........

The machine is use for making Gum base for the chewing gums. We had installed the power recorder to alalyse the load variation on the motor during entire batch process of 3.5 hours.

The machine (consists of two motors - 55 kw and 37 kw ) was running on less than 50 % load for more than 2 hours in the entire batch of 3.5 hours.

Can we install a VFD to the machine in the closed loop (feedback from the current), so that when the AMPERE on the motors become less, VFD reduces the frequency and hence the RPM of the motor to give the savings??

2) If we install a VFD , it is there also a possibility that the time taken by the mixturemotors for prepaing the same batch will increase (at present 3.5 hrs), because the VFD would have reduced the RPM of the motor during low loads and so the time could increase ???? Is there a logic behind this and how much is this possible??

Is VFD installation successfull in mixing motor applications considering the above doubts??

Kindly help

Thanks and Regards,

Rooney

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Re: VFD for Mixer Motor Machine

08/21/2011 8:14 AM

Kindly send me your mail ID thro this forum's mailbox so that I can send you a "yasakawa" application guide on VFD applications for mixers. Since, I am a novice in computers, I have difficulty in copying & pasting the article here directly.

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Re: VFD for Mixer Motor Machine

08/21/2011 11:36 AM

Short answer, probably not. The long answer requires background.

An AC motor uses POWER in accordance to the load it is connected to, plus a small amount of losses (you have actually already seen this you because reported that the motors are only showing 1/2 load on them). The losses stem from two groups of conditions; conversion losses and mechanical transmission losses. Conversion losses are those associated with converting electrical power to mechanical power, i.e. the losses in the motor (and the distribution system feeding it, but those can be ignored for this discussion). The mechanical transmission losses are those associated with getting the raw motor shaft power to the point of work, i.e. the gears, belts, friction, valves, guide vanes, whatever is used to mechanically couple the motor to the load and make the motor speed and/or torque match the task at hand.

A VFD saves energy by reducing the losses in the system somewhere. Changing the speed does NOT inherently reduce losses unless you are REPLACING some other method of changing the final output that had significant losses associated with it. I emphasized significant because the VFD itself has some conversion losses associated with it, so whatever losses you eliminate are partly offset by new losses the VFD introduces. So the original losses that you are removing must be greater (seems obvious, but it's often overlooked).

Just lowering the power alone does not inherently reduce the ENERGY consumed. Energy is different from POWER in that it is power over time. For example power can be expressed in watts, energy is watts in a period of time such as hours, or watt-hours. So if by reducing the speed to reduce the POWER consumed you increase the TIME it takes to do the work, the amount of ENERGY consumed in the process may not change. In fact if there are still fixed losses in the system that are not reduced with speed, making the process take longer can actually realize MORE losses over time. This means that most batch processes, i.e. those that require a certain amount of work and time, are not good candidates for energy savings with VFDs because slowing down the process just increases the batch time.

So all that said, mixers often fail on both counts, especially if they are batch mixers:

1) Where is the reduction in system losses going to come from? What "lossy" part of the power system is going to be eliminated by using a VFD?

2) Is decreasing the mixer speed going to increase the mixing time? If so, there may be no change in the ENERGY (kWh) input into the batch process.

Sometimes if they are continuous process mixers, those are often more akin to a centrifugal pump application and the load on the motor varies as the cube of the speed reduction. In those cases IF there is a valid reason to reduce the speed, i.e. there is a gear box being used now and you can eliminate the losses in the gear box, then you might save energy. But a potential problem with that is that gear boxes reduce speed but INCREASE shaft torque, whereas a VFD reduces sped and MAINTAINS shaft torque. So when eliminating a gear box, one must ALWAYS evaluate if the original designer was counting on the increased shaft torque from the gearbox because if he was, then the only way to use a VFD is to use a larger motor; larger by the gear ratio! That often introduces similar losses in the larger motor now.

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08/21/2011 5:12 PM

The relatively low amperage under light load is already an energy saving, and you probably can't save much more; but the VFD cost will be rather high. Also, slower speed will almost surely require longer time to get full mixing.

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08/21/2011 10:30 PM

If you are serious about saving power you should evaluate your batch mixing process.

The big gum manufacturers have already updated to continuous mixing with much less KWH's required. Instead of a 3.5 hour batch the retention time is 20-30 seconds.

Click for info http://www.readco.com/mixing-applications.html#chewing

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08/21/2011 10:51 PM

And if you can find a marketing hook for striated gum of varied texture, you can reduce the mixing time to maybe five seconds or less....

Now there's an idea to chew on!

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08/22/2011 12:58 AM

You may actually be able to save some TIME and energy by increasing the mixing speed to 80% of motor's load capacity. That could be a good use for the VFD.

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08/22/2011 1:41 AM

you would have so many losses in your system it might not be worthwhile using a VSD, and you have to taking to account the Harmonics generated and the K factor rating of your transformer, you might even have to buy all new equipment.

you need more in-depth consultation, the best answer you'd had is from JRaef.

Only thing I can suggest you look at smaller, super efficient motors as you are running yours at 50% load.

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