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How Do I Check Scope Probes?

09/02/2011 7:41 PM

I hate to ask a new question when I haven't been able to resolve the last two I asked, but . . . I have a youngish PhD who has decided to "mentor" me, me being older than water and obviously rather dumb, and he noticed I had all my scope probes in large circular loops in a drawer instead of being neatly bundled into tight little coils. So, he tied them up, making perhaps half inch bends in the cables.

I really need to figure out if he damaged the coax more than a little. I've never really thought about this since I never had anyone do this (I did it ONCE to a video cable when I was a newbie - I'm still picking pieces of the lead engineer's boot out of the seat of my pants). If I just hook them up to a nice fast-rise square wave and check the compensation across, say 10 MHz, is that enough?

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Re: How do I check scope probes?

09/02/2011 8:24 PM

Even good quality probes are pretty sensitive to mistreatment, and upper bandwidth response plus high voltage safety is easily compromised by crimping, deformation etc. I always keep my expensive probes out of reach and use cheap Chinese for normal uses. To test if a probe is within specs, you need a scope of over 4 times their bandwidth and a source with less than 1/4 of their expected rise time, so if you're happy with your 10 MHz response, just forget the rest. S.M.

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09/02/2011 8:33 PM

I would check performance over a range of frequency and voltage, as well as an impedance test.

As for the kid, I have a similar experience with a young guy that knows everything, so I don't even try to teach him anything. I am keeping an eye out so nobody gets injured while he alienates the people that he will need to help him be successful.

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09/02/2011 9:42 PM

OK. Thanks, guys.

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Re: How Do I Check Scope Probes?

09/03/2011 5:33 AM

I have a youngish PhD who has decided to "mentor" me,
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Every scope I've ever seen has a probe cal connection. You hook up the probe and adjust the trimmer to give a clean square wave. You are calibrating the probe to the particular scope.
Or am I missing something?
Presumably you have shown him how to tie his shoe laces and pull his trousers right up?
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09/03/2011 1:50 PM

Yeah, I was just gonna check them against that as a quick check, on the assumption that a damaged cable probably looks more like a low pass filter than a high pass one, but I wondered, in my ignorance, if there was a better check I could make to try to head off trouble. I order these things from Suzy's House of Swiped Recycled Parts in Shang-Hai, so it takes her a couple weeks to send them.

There was a great old movie in the US From Here to Eternity. Don't know if you've seen it. There's a great line where the First Sergeant (equivalent, I think, to your Colour Sergeant) is talking about his commanding officer and says, "He'd strangle in his own spit if he didn't have me around to swab out his throat for him."

Thursday the lad explained to me that I could put up websites and he could help me learn something called HTML. Heck, I'm lazy. I quit using HTML in the late 90s when I got a copy of a WYSIWYG editor, but I can't tell him anything. Oh well, I can't waste energy on stuff like that; I just found a 1949 Wein Bridge Signal Generator and I'm trying to figure out how to check tubes without a tube-checker. That's both more fun and more useful.

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09/03/2011 9:49 PM

One of my more frustrating mentor/protege experiences was with a summer intern. He was nearing completion of his Masters in EE. I'd had him design a circuit, lay it out, purchase a quick turn pcb, and populate it. It was his first time for all of this and he learned well, but while we were building and testing it, we would power the board up, make some measurements then power it down and add parts. It took less than 10 minutes each time we did this, but each time, he kept powering the oscilloscope down. After about the third time, I had to slap him on the wrist as he was reaching for the scope power switch.

The absolute most frustrating protege was a junior year co-op student. He had a 4.0 GPA after completing his junior year courses, but when I started discussing data busses and address busses, he stared at me completely uncomprehending. I had completed the same course of study at the same school as this student, and I seem to recall them teaching a little bit about microprocessor architectures. I'm not sure how he got his 4.0, but I am sure not much stayed in his brain. He's now in marketing.

Good luck with your "mentor". If this doesn't work out maybe he'll move to marketing.

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09/03/2011 8:06 AM

What are the probes rated for (voltage, MHz, capacities...) and your general usages. Are you working in a small range of what the equipment can work in? Or do you run the full range of what the equipment can work in?

Oh, here a PDF link from Tektronix on the ABC's of Probes. It may give some insight.

One other thing if the bends radius were 3-4 times the cable dia. there should not be any problems with the cables being damaged.

If they were kinked or folded tight there could be internal insulation damage which would affect the cable impenitence and voltage capabilities.

Although in the long run giving them a little love and care will make them last a lot longer.

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09/03/2011 1:30 PM

Hey, I appreciate that link. I'll have to make copies and conveniently "leave" them where others can read them.

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09/03/2011 11:09 PM

Impenitent cables are intransigent, and must stay locked up. Give the PhD student the task of going though the Tek ABCs and procedures to calibrate them

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09/04/2011 3:24 PM

Sorry !

This is only for companies.

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09/04/2011 8:30 PM

All you need to do is create a faked company of just 2 letters and a few numbers in the zip code.

I used

rr for my name

12 dfrs st

Rochester NY, 14021 a valid Rochester zip code (I think)

and 123-456-7890 for my phone number and the download was activated.

the bots are easy to fool

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09/05/2011 8:46 AM

Thanks.

Astonishing !

I used "Home" in "Industry Name" and "Free-Lancer" in "Position" column. This all worked. As they had the intention to share.

Before this I had been asking Tektronix for free publications [Hard copy] and collected a fairly good library which I donated to an institute on my 65th milestone. Now @ the 78th have to fool them?

How good were the days GE-[We have no connection with GE-UK or such words] sent me a complete collection of their Application Notes, RS components, HP [When it was Hewlett-Packard not ...].

I remember that to a UK manufacturer of ECG machine I sent a feedback about a device with suggested modification to a TO-3 heatsink mounting.

They sent its Service Manual, Modified kit, and thanks.

A UK Software: Classicboard [Text]: I asked my son in UK to purchase. He wrote them to which their reply was tha a free version is available, try it, if it serves your father why to purchase pro.

And I had been using it till XP by registering some file shown by error.

Lot of free ... and which made my life easy Irfanview is the best in my view.

I started it when the publisher was a university student.

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09/04/2011 11:39 AM

If you crimp the coax, I would expect that it would make a discontinuity in the characteristic impedance, causing reflections. If you connect it to a square wave source (calibration signal), you might see ringing on the transitions.

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09/04/2011 8:40 PM

Just send him the bill for new cables! - that should make a dint in his allowance and perhaps help him to learn a lasting lesson as you did.

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