Facts ?

Yes and no.

#1: don't know about India. Here it allows food to be kept safe from spoilage for a period of time. Other methods Canning, smoking, drying etc. takes time/energy and is somewhat limited in what can be kept.

#2: Pressure cookers come in all sizes. The process can speed up some cooking process saving time/energy.

#3: agree, though chemically there is differences.

#4: Most likely, But I bet genetics play a bigger role.

#5: Some truth there. But not always.

#6: Don't agree. Some women will never have children. Others could be called breeders. Having children one after the another. Everyone else it varies from personal reasons to economics to "I wander what causes baby's?"

Places that impose one child per couple cause a biased birth rates. Cause boys are typical most wanted. A ready made work force. But at what cost to genetic diversity. Same could be said if reversed I think.

Were you wanting facts or opinions or just debate?

Re: #6, doesn't it "take two to Tango"?

Well yes!

one way or another.

As to the OP, Less women= less children. I was making comment that could be a false analogy in an uncontrolled environment. Though some places do restrict birthrates. In that environment males are favored. So if it ran long enough there could be problems.

1.If you calculate ,cost per day and "saving" for having a fridge and also considering quality utilisation and electricity failure, load shadings,low voltage etc ( I am talking about Indian scenario) ,I am sure -my statement is correct.Many families buy refrigerator only because ,their neighbour have one !!

2)Once heated ,cooking time may be short,but consider cooling time to bring the food to serviceable temperature- it compensates.I suggest ,take a trial,and compare yourself ,by cooking rice,Dal and vegetable (typical Indian vegetarian food) in cooker and separately. I am sure there is hardly and difference in fuel ,time consumption (when you cook for 2 or 3 ).

3.We are mislead mostly by marketing gimmicks and advertisements !Size,colour,smell ,weight,packing,advertisement etc ..ok but hardly any connection with the effective quality of soap.To me all soaps are almost same.

Ok, I'll take your word on #1. but I still stand by what I said.

But you also said:

Many families buy refrigerator only because ,their neighbour have one !!

Could it be they have seen the benefits of the cold storage to keep food from spoiling?

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#2 I disagree with you. Have you ever used a pressure cooker? Here a wiki link on them, you might learn something. _{But I will post some of it for you.}

"Advantages

Foods are cooked much faster by pressure cooking than by other methods (except for small quantities in microwave ovens), and with much less water used than boiling, so dishes can be ready sooner. Less energy is required than when boiling, steaming or oven cooking. Since less water is necessary, the foods come to cooking temperature faster.

Several foods can be cooked together in the pressure cooker, either for the same amount of time or added later and timed accordingly. Manufacturers provide steamer baskets to allow more foods to be cooked together inside the pressure cooker. However, the pressure cooker should never be filled to more than 2/3 its interior height with solid food or 1/2 full for foods that foam and froth, e.g., rice, dried beans, pasta, etc. A tablespoon of cooking oil can be added to minimise foaming.

The food is cooked at a temperature above the normal boiling point of water, killing most micro-organisms. The pressure cooker can also be used as an effective sterilizer, for jam pots and glass baby bottles for example, or for water while camping.

It is not necessary to immerse food in water: The minimum quantity of water or liquid used in the recipe to keep the pressure cooker filled with steam is sufficient. Because of this, vitamins and minerals are not leached (dissolved) away by water, as they would be if food were boiled in large amounts of water. Due to the shorter cooking time, vitamins are preserved relatively well during pressure cooking."

"Operation

The food to be cooked is placed in the pressure cooker, with a small amount of water or liquid required for the recipe. The lid is closed, the pressure setting selected and the pressure cooker is placed on a heat source, e.g., a stove, at the highest heat (if a weight is used, the weight is placed on the steam vent when steam is being emitted, as this ensures the air inside has escaped) until the cooker reaches full pressure, then the heat is lowered to maintain pressure and timing the recipe begins at this point. As the internal temperature rises, the pressure also rises, until the pressure reaches the design gauge pressure. In some designs, a relief valve opens, releasing steam and preventing the pressure from rising any further. In others, the pressure regulator weight begins levitating on its nozzle, allowing excess steam to escape. The heat source does not need to be kept higher than necessary to maintain pressure. If the heat source is too high, it costs more in energy, and the life of the gasket/sealing ring is reduced by this extra heat. If the heat source is set too low e.g. minimum, food may be undercooked or pressure may be lost.

The higher temperature causes the food to cook faster; cooking times can typically be reduced to 1/3 of the time of conventional cooking methods. Note that the actual cooking time depends on thickness, as thicker foods will take longer to cook and meat is cooked according to weight. Also frozen foods need a little extra cooking time. When pressure cooking at 15 psi, cooking times are typically as follows: Shredded cabbage is cooked in one minute, fresh green beans in three minutes, potatoes cook in about 5 - 7 minutes (the actual cooking time for potatoes depends on type, initial temperature of the potatoes and thickness) and a whole chicken takes only twenty minutes. Brown rice, lentils and beans can be cooked in ten minutes, instead of 45 minutes of simmering in an ordinary saucepan.

Pressure cooking is often used to simulate the effects of long braising or simmering in shorter periods of time."

"Pressure release methods

After cooking time, there are three ways of releasing the pressure, either quickly or slowly, before the lid can be opened."

"Cold Water Quick Release

This method is the fastest way of releasing pressure with portable pressure cookers (unless the manufacturer advises against cold water release). This method involves running cold water from the cold tap over the pressure cooker, avoiding the steam vent or any other valves. It is most suitable for foods with short cooking times and takes only about 20 seconds to open the pressure cooker. "

"Manual, Normal, Regular, or Automatic Release

Also sometimes referred to as "Quick Release" but not to be confused with the cold water release, this method with varying names involves the evacuation of vapor quickly by lifting (or removing) the valve, pushing a button or turning a dial. It is most suitable for interrupted cooking when adding food later which cooks faster. For example, adding vegetables later when cooking meat, as the meat takes longer to cook than vegetables, so it is necessary to add the vegetables later to cook with the meat for the last few minutes. This release method does not cool down the pressure cooker like the cold water release method. Care must be taken when releasing the steam to avoid scalding injury. This release method is not suitable for foods which foam and froth during cooking, as the hot contents could spray outwards. This release method takes about 2 minutes to open the pressure cooker."

"Natural release

The natural release method allows the pressure to drop slowly; this is achieved by removing the pressure cooker from the heat source and allowing it to cool down at room temperature and lower pressure without any further action. The pressure inside will lower as the pressure cooker cools down and it takes about 10 to 15 minutes before all the pressure has gone. This method is recommended for foods which foam and froth during cooking, such as rice or pasta, legumes or for recipes such as steamed puddings with raising agents. Meat cooked in a pressure cooker requires the natural release method, otherwise its texture will be tough instead of tender."

"To avoid opening the pressure cooker too often when cooking vegetables with varying cooking times, the vegetables which take longer to cook can be cut into smaller pieces and those which cook faster can be cut into thicker pieces."

"Use in food detoxification

Some food toxins can be reduced by pressure cooking. A Korean study of aflatoxins in rice (associated with Aspergillus fungus) showed that pressure cooking was capable of reducing aflatoxin concentrations to between 12 and 22% of the amount in the uncooked rice."

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#3. That is your opinion. I stand by mine. Again a little knowledge for you wiki-soap.

A fridge for 'keeping up with the Joneses' went out the window in India when i was teenaged (50 years ago). i don't deny that the craving to be different is there in India too, like everywhere else...However, the differentiators as per these peple are Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Learjet/Helicopter/Yacht in transportation, a laaaaarge house with a swimming pool, Swiss holidays....so on. A fridge !!! WALOOB !

_{* Domestic refrigerators are white elephants in India}

Nope. Since one can't cook an exact quantity for one meal of a family, the fridge is a necessity. In an urban family, with both patners working, it is essential. It is classified as 'white goods' though.

_{* Pressure cooker may not be economical when cooking for small family}

Pressure cooker may not be viable for a large family. Maybe 'dum pukht' is better. Refer the history of the Bada Imambra.

_{* Chemically all bath soaps are 95% alike}

Not mine, i believe. It is recommended by a doctor, and is available in medical shops only. It is for my dry skin. i am not comfortable using other soaps, even those which are much more expensive.

_{* Colour of skin is biological need of the body}

Not quite sure what you mean. In USA, there are Scandinavians and African Americans coexisting. In India, there are fair-complexioned and dark complexioned people. One particular whitening cream makes millions out of poor gullible dark Indians. i think the biological needs of all such people is the same ?

_{* Men live shorter than women}

i think you may be right. Shows that women don't need men to live. i always knew this.

_{* Lesser the female population lesser will be population growth}

Hmmm... Let's see...Lesser the men, lesser the pop growth too. In effect, lesser the number of people, less the growth. Doesn't seem right somehow. After all, only two people (Adam and Eve) created this whole present mess.

A pressure cooker may be very economical for a small family, if you cook enough for two or three meals at one time and then freeze the extra for later on. This answers the question about domestic refrigerators: may be a helpful elephant if you are a small family using a pressure cooker economically.

Bath soaps are not 95% chemically alike: they can be made with saturated or unsaturated fats of various kinds including animal or vegetable: they can be made with lye or potash: they can be perfumed in many ways. The alkalinity of the soap also decreases with age, and indeed must be aged for use as a bath soap, since the fresh product is very harsh.

Colour of the skin has a biological function: the pigment melanin which makes skin darker has the function of protecting skin cells from damage by the sun. The "biological need" applies if you live in the open, exposed to the sun without shelter or protective clothes. Without melanin or shelter, you will have bad sunburns.

Men do live shorter than women on average.

Population growth doesn't depend on the number of females, although it may be true that a population of animals in the wild may be in jeopardy if the female population is seriously threatened or reduced. Loss of genetic diversity is a major risk in small populations. In fish populations, the size of breeding females is more important to fecundity than simple numbers. Foxes are an interesting example of an animal with an extended family culture where many of the females don't breed; instead they help to feed and care for the breeding female's young. In human culture we have many options to reduce population growth without reducing the number of females.

#6:

Yeah, and I STILL thought I needed a man to produce a kid!

There is a lot of dystopic literature, movies (some very funny too) available about what happens when the sex ratio is disturbed. I would suggest watching them.

I will agree to item no 5. Men do hard work and earn money for the entire family and sometimes support elderly parents too. They have problems in workplaces and family. But housewives only look after the family and create trouble to husbands in many ways. When husband is retired they say "you are eating children's money why don't you die". In some families husbands have no one to support but wives join children. Men get many diseases nowadays even at 30 years of age. Due to bad wives many husbands die early. Proof is look at husbands whose wives died early-they are healthy and live even 102 years.

Majority of men all over the world have problem wives. May be in your society some wives are obedient due to beliefs.

My wife is a partner in our marriage. She is qualified enough to be a General Manager in many companies. She is not obedient in the sense you mean. All our family decisions are jointly taken, and we argue quite a bit about them. Some household chores which i can do, i volunteer. She does all my bank transactions since i would be away at work during bank hours.

Not a doormat, i mean. We got married in 1970. This was the situation at that time.

i do wish you would not generalise. Your situation is a minority one i am sure.

To understand the real situation can you study the situation or go through figures country by country, community by community,wealthy or poor,educated or uneducated, culturewise (in india/srilanka still interference from in-laws exists)religion wise the increase in divorce rate ,living separately without divorce,husbands living alone in elders homes,wives killing husbands etc. In indian movies and dramas in small screen didn't you notice problems in families?.

This is a pointless dialogue as far as i am concerned. Let me be happy in my small world. My sympathies to those who are suffering as you say....

Goodbye.

Let me give some examples:1)A british engineer worked in Saudi arabia for 15yrs and returned home(liverpool) to find his wife has sold the house,withdrawn all the money in joint account and eloped with someone. He went to another britisher from Liverpool who also worked with him in Saudi and begged to give a room to live.2)A srilankan technician worked in Saudi for nearly 20 yrs and retuned home. After a couple of years wife and children have chased him away 3)In srilanka a woman became friendly with their driver and he tried to assault her husband and chased him away. She told her mother don't like the SIL 4)In srilanka a surgeon's wife is living with a successful businessman leaving the doctor alone. She visits to see him occasionally 5)In srilanka an engineer's daughter was separated from her husband only after 2 yrs of marriage after getting a baby because MIL don't like the SIL. That engineer do not eat what the wife cooks but have meals outside. In many countries there are laws for husband to pay monthly maiintenance(money) to wife/children after divorce but is there a law in any country for wife/children to pay husband?. This is only tip of the iceberg. There are more horrible stories including killing husband by paramour, throwing the son into a well as he has come to know her illicit affair with another man and so on.

GA from me! Perfectly worded. I can't add a thing.

To know the truth you should conduct a public opinion poll among men all over the world. Even in politics it applies. Remember what Margret Thatcher did,she had no sympathy on a prisoner who was fasting to death.Also Indra Ghandhi declared "emergency" and together with her son did artrocities to innocent population including forced vasectomy to poor people inside ambulances causing death to many. In Srilanka mother and later daughter became leaders and human rights violations took place at large scale. A female was taken naked in an army vehicle along streets and another girl was kept as a sex slave inside an underground army bunker with her hands tied behind after killing her parents and brother. There were cases in courts but we are not sure whether culprits were punished because the press don't like to expose the rulers. Even when BBC show some scenes related to that country the TV screen became blank. In south india mothers and grand mothers from poor families kill new born baby girls as they have no money(dowry) to give them in marriage once grow up. They don't have even toilets in every home but made nuclear device and sending satellites.

You bring new meaning to the word "dork"

Hypocrites can ruin mankind.

kvsridhar, I would like to put forward a warm and heartfelt handshake for this comment. Well said. Thank you for sharing a private element of your life to illustrate your thoughts.

You may be wise to encourage her to read this thread. A little grease on the skids can go a long way.

*Colour of skin is biological need of the body

and that is why we have diferent skin coloure !!One should not try to change body colour by appling cosmatices (influanced by adveriseing gimmics),which is aginst nature.

* Reasons apart ,this is a fact.

* I am not suggesting any thing ,but this is logical.

Thank you all for sharing.