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Is the CFM Rating of a Compressor Measured in Intake or Discharge Side

10/14/2011 4:49 AM

I would like to know if the CFM rating of rotary screw-type compressors found in their operations manual or name plate ratings taken/measured in the intake side or discharge side of the compressor? I sized a dessicant dryer once for a client for their 5 screw type compressors, 3 Ingersoll Rand and 2 Atlas Copco units (each with refrigerant dryer). I added their cfm ratings found in their nameplate (1730 cfm total) and I came up with a dessicant dryer with capacity of 2100 cfm (after correcting for temperature and pressure given by our dryer principal). Did I make the correct use of cfm of the compressors? Please give your thoughts, thanks.

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10/14/2011 5:04 AM

Compressor manufactureres always use the unit in SCFM or Nm3/h to define its capacity (flow rate at normal temp and pressure). So whether it is measured at the intake side or discharge side of the compressor, it is one and the same.

"Did I make the correct use of cfm of the compressors?"

I don't think so.

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10/14/2011 9:27 PM

So it means that i can directly use the cfm ratings of compressors in sizing its dessicant dryer?

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10/14/2011 9:31 PM

why do you think that i was not right in making the cfm rating of the compressors as my basis in sizing the dessicant dryer?

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10/14/2011 9:37 PM

Compressor output is roughly equal to air in, minus seal losses. Performance is rated at the output, not input.

"Dryers are specified with a flow rate in SCFM at 100 PSIG and 100°F. However, it is recommended that the actual operating conditions be determined to correctly size a dryer. It is rare that a given application will actually be running at the typical specified conditions. If the actual pressure is below the specified pressure and/or the actual temperature is above the specified condition, the dryer will most likely be undersized for the given flow rate and will most likely not produce the desired effluent dew point."

The above is quoted from www.dryersystems.com

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10/16/2011 11:02 AM

Yes, and the capacity varies as the square root of the absolute pressure.

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10/15/2011 12:25 AM

So it means that i can directly use the cfm ratings of compressors in sizing its desiccant dryer?

As I commented that compressor manufacturers always specify the capacities in SCFM or Nm3/hr, please check it. You have not clarified and always say cfm only. please check the instruction manuals supplied by the manufacturers (I'Rand & A'Copco), you will definitely get it that what standard pressure and temp they have considered for CFM rating. You can directly use the cfm ratings of compressors in sizing its desiccant dryer if standard pressure and temp considered are same for both, otherwise not.

why do you think that i was not right in making the cfm rating of the compressors as my basis in sizing the desiccant dryer?

Because of the reasons I have explained above.

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10/16/2011 11:01 AM

Not always. They often rate them as "free air delivered", FAD. This is roughly the same as SCFM (provided the compressor is at sea level). I suppose this avoids specifying the inlet P and T to give rated performance.

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10/14/2011 10:23 AM

Compresser rating is at the discharge side.

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10/16/2011 11:03 AM

The pressure is, but definitely not the volume.

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10/14/2011 4:31 PM

It simply compresses air.

The number of molecules the compressor sucks in is the same number of molecules it spits out, only more tightly packed.

Input CFM = output CFM for logical purposes. However they are not 100% efficient, so there will be some losses due to leaky seals and whatnot. So the best practice is to measure the air Output of the motor to obtain real world measurements.

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10/14/2011 9:22 PM

I think you are saying that it is the mass which is the same on both sides...But the volume will be different because air was compressed....

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10/14/2011 11:28 PM

I beg to disagree

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10/15/2011 2:58 AM

CFM (and SCFM) is air flow, not volume. Air flow in = air flow out (its physics).

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10/15/2011 1:02 AM

GA.

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"But the volume will be different because air was compressed...."

Standard CFM is like mass flow, almost same at intake and outlet. Actual volume will be different when air is compressed, not the standard volume.

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10/16/2011 8:35 PM

1. Pritam is correct. I totally agree with his comments.

2. It is a standard practice to express compressor capacity in SCFM or Nm3/h as mentioned by pritam unless otherwise stated in the manual or the template. If it is stated as actual volume, it must specifies pressure and temperature.

3. The actual volumetric rate will be depending on pressure and temperature. Performance curve for centrifugal compressor, for example, expresses the relationship between head and actual volume flowrate at suction conditions.

4. Back to basic: 1 mole of gases (regardless of whether the gas is air or hydrogen), it occupies 22.4 liter at 0 C and 1 atm.

5. This means that, the number of moles of any gas entering and leaving the compressor is the same ( and so with the volume flowrate at O C and 1 atm) but the mass flowrate will be different depending on molecular weight.

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10/16/2011 11:02 AM

i agree with lyn. it's the air output under optimal conditions.

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10/16/2011 9:05 PM

Then I suggest you speak to a compressor supplier, who will tell you different.

It doesn't just apply to compressors, but to vacuum pumps as well. In the case of vacuum pumps, a cynic might think it was to get a bigger figure, but it also means the flow vs vacuum curve stays flatter, until ultimate vacuum of the particular pump is approached.

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